Is history repeating

[burnt]

Okay, I will choose to believe health Canada numbers rather than yourrambling chorus of conspiracy theories which do not contain any hard data, just a lot of opinions. And seeing as you seem unable to counter any of my statements with actual hard data but just generalizations like "numerous jabbers" that who knows where that come from, I guess everyone reading this will form their own opinions about who is trying to BS everyone and who is providing real information.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I said.

You seldom disappoint!

[dmlfarmer]

Okay, I will choose to believe health Canada numbers rather than yourrambling chorus of conspiracy theories which do not contain any hard data, just a lot of opinions. And seeing as you seem unable to counter any of my statements with actual hard data but just generalizations like "numerous jabbers" that who knows where that come from, I guess everyone reading this will form their own opinions about who is trying to BS everyone and who is providing real information.

Interestly I started this thread about a historical even being mirrored today re vaccines. And the reaction by those opposed to the vaccine is not to challenge what I initially posted or respond to it but rather the event to try try to distract, deflect, and derail the thread and to personally attack me. I guess this quote is true: "Typical reaction to scrutiny: attack and mock messenger and message, minimize the problem, hope attention dies down. — Anat R. Admati"

[burnt]

Interestly I started this thread about a historical even being mirrored today re vaccines. And the reaction by those opposed to the vaccine not challenged the event but has been trying to distract, deflect,and derail the thread and to personally attack me. I guess this quote is true: "Typical reaction to scrutiny: attack and mock messenger and message, minimize the problem, hope attention dies down. — Anat R. Admati"

That was a much weaker retreat than I expected from you.

C'mon, man, do better!

[dmlfarmer]

Hey Burnt. I see you just could not help yourself and had to go back and edit in some more Covid BS in one of your posts after I last replied to you. The edit I am speaking of it the addition of this paragraph:

"And your most obvious untruth - while you grossly mis(under)represent the number of jab deaths, you use a clearly false percentage of deaths from "covid". If "1.8%" died from covid, then we should have had a steady schedule of funerals all around us."

Lets honestly look at that claim you made. Canada has a population of roughly 38 million. There have been 1.5 million cases of Covid or roughly 4% of the population have had the disease. If Covid was equally spread across the country, which of course it is not, but if it was that means in a rural area that has a population of 10,000 people on farms and in the villages and towns in the area about 400 people would have had Covid since it was identified in Canada a year and a half ago. If the death rate is 1.8% then of those 400 people 7 would have been expected to die in the last year and a half of covid, Tell me, do you consider 7 deaths in a year and a half to be a steady schedule of funerals? Do you know the cause of death of everyone who has died in your community in the last year and a half if your community was expanded to cover 10,000 people? I know I certainly don't, expecially given that for much of the last year and a half funerals were limited to a few people. Add in the fact that Covid numbers have been much lower in many rural areas due to less contact between people and lots of rural areas may not have any deaths but that does not make the disease any less deadly.

But continue spreading the BS that there would have to be steady funerals if the death rate was 1.8% in Canada, just like data shows similar deaths rates in most other countries. Ignore the fact that you have to actually get Covid before you can die from it and ignore the fact that actions taken to stop the spread of covid, and vaccinations, have reduced the spread down to 1.5 million so there has only be 26,000 deaths in this country.

I challenge you again to provide the actual number of "death jabs" if the numbers I quoted from health Canada are wrong.

YOur credibility is taking a real beating given you cannot provide any facts to back up your claims and twice you demonstrated a total lack of math skills.

The edit you made demonstrates very well you are a true spreader of Covid BS!

[burnt]

Give it up, sophist.

[burnt]

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[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dml, that was quite the attack on me in response to my post.
And I thought we were on the same side of this issue. Apparently it is not permitted to point out the fallibility of authority.
Because when I hear ridiculous stories such as no one has ever died from the vaccine (which was being reported in the media) it reminds me of hearing election results from Tajikistan where no one ever voted for anyone except for the supreme leader. As a rational, thinking person, I would rather hear actual verifiable statistics.
As a livestock producer I am well aware of the risks inherent in any vaccine or medical procedure no matter how well tested how proven safe
And of course we still use the vaccines knowing that the reward outweighs the risk.
So you can quit pretending that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly embrace you're blind trust in authority has to be an uninformed, low educated anti-vaxxer.
Perhaps if the powers that be didn't treat people like that as well that would be better uptake.

[dmlfarmer]

Dml, that was quite the attack on me in response to my post.
And I thought we were on the same side of this issue. Apparently it is not permitted to point out the fallibility of authority.
Because when I hear ridiculous stories such as no one has ever died from the vaccine (which was being reported in the media) it reminds me of hearing election results from Tajikistan where no one ever voted for anyone except for the supreme leader. As a rational, thinking person, I would rather hear actual verifiable statistics.
As a livestock producer I am well aware of the risks inherent in any vaccine or medical procedure no matter how well tested how proven safe
And of course we still use the vaccines knowing that the reward outweighs the risk.
So you can quit pretending that anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly embrace you're blind trust in authority has to be an uninformed, low educated anti-vaxxer.
Perhaps if the powers that be didn't treat people like that as well that would be better uptake.

Sorry if you read that as an attack on you. It was not intended to be that in any way. I was just adding to your list of things that were considered safe at one time, but now their are questions about their safety just as you added things to another poster's list.

Nor have I ever claimed that a vaccine is 100% safe. I even said in a post in response to Burnt that deaths are possible. AS you note, every thing has risks, and you have to weigh those risks and determine if the risks are worth the reward. Science is never final, better science will always happen. But the science we have today is all we have and we simply cannot wait forever incase science changes or we would still be living in caves and drawing on the walls.

My condending attitude that you seen as addressed at you was entended for those posters who inflate the risks exponentially but have no verifable data to back up their claims. For those who copy and paste misinformation about vaccines that they found on the internet. For those who make claims like Covid is no more dangerous or deadly than the flu. I too want real, verifiable data in making decisions, not conspiracy theories found on the internet.

I consider you a smart person and while we disagree on some issues there are likely more than we agree on. I think we could have a real debate on issues unlike a good number of posters on this forum.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

. Science is never final, better science will always happen.

Can you possibly do us all a huge favor and explain that concept to Chuck.

[shtferbrains]

Actualy explain that to the whole world.