media and the BTOs and a rant

[GALAXIE500]

Pretty phucking disappointing isn't it when you think of all the cattlemen in the Southwest part of Saskatchewan...

They are going to take a shitkicking...And Patzer is monitoring it....go the phuck outside for 10 minutes at 3 pm every day for a week..


Its a blast furnace ...like the one that Algoma Steel just got 420 million to replace...

Or better yet go out to Heartland at Swift Current on a Tuesday regular sale and learn something.

what a phucktard.

Good morning all.

Not only do I farm , but we got a cow herd also. Things are not good down here in the SW corner of Sask. to say the least. Even though I only have 60 cows , there is a possibility that up to 1/3 of them may go down the road. Less feed expense and pasture conservation moving forward. You can't have one without the other. Definitely going to cut crop for green feed now. I remember 1988,89,90 , and we did quite a bit of that at the time.

Man , a LOT of the crops in my area are not going to to be more than a 10-15 bu/acre yield. That is a fact! So I will trade some of the yields for what we got.

[bucket]

galaxie500

Do you find it frustrating to have a cardboard conservative cutout for an MP?

I think its stupid that for as wealthy as grasslands is for resources, environment, agriculture and its overall physical size.. etc that the MP from this area has zero standing within government and doesn't try that hard either.

Really the conservative MPs should have been making noise before parliament took its summer break....they should have known about the impending disaster...

Normal rainfall wouldn't have made a bumper crop this year...the ground is dry 6 feet down...

This """"conservative good , everything else bad "" slogan is getting a little old.

I don't see much representation except where there will be paper bags full of money moving around.

[GALAXIE500]

galaxie500

Do you find it frustrating to have a cardboard conservative cutout for an MP?

I think its stupid that for as wealthy as grasslands is for resources, environment, agriculture and its overall physical size.. etc that the MP from this area has zero standing within government and doesn't try that hard either.

Really the conservative MPs should have been making noise before parliament took its summer break....they should have known about the impending disaster...

Normal rainfall wouldn't have made a bumper crop this year...the ground is dry 6 feet down...

This """"conservative good , everything else bad "" slogan is getting a little old.

I don't see much representation except where there will be paper bags full of money moving around.

Yes I agree. He basically is a pathetic joke for an MP. Ryan Whinee is a joke also.

[bucket]

Earl Dreeshen is a conservative MP...helped his son into politics working in Ritz's office...

Two generation of farmers and politicians????? and can't figure out to say something between the two of them...

Pulled out Rood to Alberta the other day...another one of Ritz's apprentices..

Their silence speaks volumes as to the fact they would eventually have to admit their lack of vision for agriculture a few years ago...

The sad part is with all the potential disasters farmers face ,,,,they have not developed something that works...any party of any stripe....

And yet when the pandemic hit it was full out spend with the conservatives approval.

[foragefarmer]

Sad as the drought situation is for Western Canadian farmers, ad hoc drought acreage payments have far to many short comings.

Mulroney tried it in 1988 and it was a administrative disaster. A $100.00/acre payout will never happen.

I can see there being some sort of government aid to the beef industry particularly the cow calf operators. There will be a real problem trying to source hay, grain, and straw. This can be administer more easily.


The government see's how much is sitting in Agrinvest accounts, along with tax returns. Don't forget they have contributed to Agrinvest.

[bucket]

Sad as the drought situation is for Western Canadian farmers, ad hoc drought acreage payments have far to many short comings.

Mulroney tried it in 1988 and it was a administrative disaster. A $100.00/acre payout will never happen.

I can see there being some sort of government aid to the beef industry particularly the cow calf operators. There will be a real problem trying to source hay, grain, and straw. This can be administer more easily.


The government see's how much is sitting in Agrinvest accounts, along with tax returns. Don't forget they have contributed to Agrinvest.

As the government know most accounts have very little in them...at 1 percent matching its hardly any money at all...how many years at that rate into agri-invest to cover a loss for one year like this.

farmers could empty those accounts tomorrow if they had any leadership from farm groups and then show how little agri-invest actually helped.

You want to see devastation....lets say this drought takes hold for next year as Drew Lerner has mentioned...how long before there is no one sinking or swimming...everyone has drowned ...

Lets wait for that...and then see how it turns out...

Algoma , Air Canada , Bombardier were never close to gasping for air before the money came....

How does the Protein Industries Canada projects do with higher prices for commodities ...all government money for the most part ...how much more injections of funding do they get...or do they start importing their requirements using government funds???

This is a disaster...do we wait to figure out how bad or wait til the countryside empties out again to actually speak up?

[jazz]

bucket, I think the provinces and the feds are on record a while back saying any funds that will be delivered into Canadian ag will go through existing programs. Thats what they did when we flooded 10 yrs ago, topped up that coverage for a few yrs.

So we are stuck with scic, AgStab, AgInvest and whatever this Ag recovery thingy is. They will probably allow anyone who isnt in the AgStab program to get in and see if their ref margins pan out for some relief or give them a one time variance or something. I think Agr recovery just sends the provinces some disaster cash and they dole it out probably in this sort of piecemeal fashion. Some funds into crop insurance perhaps. Tax deferrals, etc. Probably lots of tinkering on the edges but a cheque in the mail aint coming.

[LWeber]

Sad as the drought situation is for Western Canadian farmers, ad hoc drought acreage payments have far to many short comings.

Mulroney tried it in 1988 and it was a administrative disaster. A $100.00/acre payout will never happen.

I can see there being some sort of government aid to the beef industry particularly the cow calf operators. There will be a real problem trying to source hay, grain, and straw. This can be administer more easily.


The government see's how much is sitting in Agrinvest accounts, along with tax returns. Don't forget they have contributed to Agrinvest.

Doug Hedley has forgot more about ag policy that the entire current crop knows today.

https://caes-scae.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2015-Hedley-Evolution-Ag-Policy-Fellows-Paper-RI.pdf

For 1988, there was another drought in western Canada, and another ad hoc program of $750 million for income support and green feed. For 1989, the Farm Support and Adjustment Measures (FSAM) program provided about $1 billion to the Canadian grain and oilseed industry compensating for the continuing low incomes and prices. This was followed by a second FSAM providing about $800 million divided between the horticulture industry and the grains and oilseed industry.36 Throughout this period, the loudest cries for additional federal assistance were coming from the provinces.

(36) Even though the safety net legislation was in place for specific programs, these Acts did not have the flexibility in most cases to provide legislated authority for these ad hoc programs. As a result, the Department of Agriculture Act was used in many cases. Section 5 of the Act reads: “The Governor in Council may assign any other power or duty to the Minister.” This section, while criticized by the Auditor General on a number of occasions for its scope and breadth, offers very wide powers to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-food so long as the Cabinet can be convinced of the actions.

[bucket]

bucket, I think the provinces and the feds are on record a while back saying any funds that will be delivered into Canadian ag will go through existing programs. Thats what they did when we flooded 10 yrs ago, topped up that coverage for a few yrs.

So we are stuck with scic, AgStab, AgInvest and whatever this Ag recovery thingy is. They will probably allow anyone who isnt in the AgStab program to get in and see if their ref margins pan out for some relief or give them a one time variance or something. I think Agr recovery just sends the provinces some disaster cash and they dole it out probably in this sort of piecemeal fashion. Some funds into crop insurance perhaps. Tax deferrals, etc. Probably lots of tinkering on the edges but a cheque in the mail aint coming.

Could all be handled through one cheque writing sequence from federal government...

Either through a simple GST type return based on your acres from your SCIC report....last years cattle sales for head....etc

A one page form . Sent electronically the same way your GST is done.

[bucket]

bucket, I think the provinces and the feds are on record a while back saying any funds that will be delivered into Canadian ag will go through existing programs. Thats what they did when we flooded 10 yrs ago, topped up that coverage for a few yrs.

So we are stuck with scic, AgStab, AgInvest and whatever this Ag recovery thingy is. They will probably allow anyone who isnt in the AgStab program to get in and see if their ref margins pan out for some relief or give them a one time variance or something. I think Agr recovery just sends the provinces some disaster cash and they dole it out probably in this sort of piecemeal fashion. Some funds into crop insurance perhaps. Tax deferrals, etc. Probably lots of tinkering on the edges but a cheque in the mail aint coming.

You are justifying the governments inaction.

What's your motive?