Farmers in Canada will get no Credit for what they did to help the climate up to 2017

[Hamloc]

Growing perennial forages for the past 30 years, is what's best for our land and our income. Also have a couple hundred acres of heavy bush left that won't be touched.

Not expecting anything from the government in any shape or form regarding carbon tax refund based on our farming practices.

The less the government involvement the better, just more paperwork with little to no reward. Seems at this point are farming situation is favourable.

“The government involvement the better”, you hit the nail on the head I agree 100%. But I am curious what is the market for your perennial forages? Are you concerned governments and industrial food processors are working to end production of meat? As a beef farmer who enjoys raising and eating beef this certainly concerns me.

As for carbon credits, really a no win situation. The Liberal carbon tax as designed makes zero sense to me. Nothing more than an income transfer from rural Canada where there are few votes to vote rich urban Canada. If I lived in the city in an apartment and didn’t own a car I would think it was great. On the farm a carbon credit program just increases scrutiny that in the end will cost not benefit. My goal is to only go into debt for appreciable assets and try to keep my costs as low as possible.

[furrowtickler]

So why is Manitoba hydro nearly broke , yet Quebec Hydro is well off ??
Maybe because Quebec Hydro sells fake pieces of paper to California. Which at the end of the day does zero for actual carbon emissions.
One party sells fake paper credits to another to continue to pollute .
Great system

[SASKFARMER]

Plants take Co2 out of the air and put it in the ground, don't they? We are low emitters vs the cites. So bigger thicker crops would actually do more good for Canada.

Soil organic carbon levels have been rising in many parts of the Prairies by 35 kilograms per acre per year, which is significant when taking the size of the region.

The increase in soil organic carbon accounts for 11 million tonnes of carbon dioxide per year in Canada, which reduces Canada’s net greenhouse gas emissions by 1.5 percent.

The benefit is reduced to 7.4 million tonnes of CO2 when the carbon emitted from the creation of new cropland is considered, which brings Canada’s net greenhouse gas emissions down only one percent.

But then Farmers are doing more than their fair share. But in shit hole Canada we get penalized. All are supposed to be like Chuck hunker down in our basements resenting all your neighbors that they have grown in size and you have stayed the same.

[bucket]

If the price on emissions is justified,,,,,then it only makes sense to have a price on sequestering that correlates to the price on pollution.

If we were actually talking about the environment ...but we are not ...we are talking about wealth redistribution.

[SASKFARMER]

Liberals want to always show the bad farmers do and never the good. It's that ****ing simple.

Liberals are the problem.

[bucket]

Liberals want to always show the bad farmers do and never the good. It's that ****ing simple.

Liberals are the problem.

Liberals might be the problem but what are the conservatives offering up to counter the phucktard liberals?

That's a bigger question that needs to be answered...

[Guest]

Chuck, why don't you still refer to it as Global Warming? Like you used to.

its in the manual

[Sheepwheat]

The way i see it though is that if they start paying us for the ridiculous notion of “capturing carbon”, will they not also charge us for that carbon which we emit? All the inputs, fuel, nitrogen, iron, herbicides? Let alone the wildlife habitat destruction we collectively do.

So yeah, they maybe will give us a whopping few bucks an acre, but they will also get their grubby paws all over every aspect of how we farm; forced soil tests, fertilizer restrictions, paperwork to prove it all. Slippery slope.

I also don’t think a person can no till and that is all it takes to be a good steward of the land. Consumers are watching what we do closer than you think. IMO, notill while great, does not cover all the other sins. Tell a city person that sees sprayer tracks in every field multiple times a year that because we notill, we are just great stewards of the land! Tell them you rotate two crops, that you use glyphosate, fungicides, high fertilizer rates. They won’t buy it. Tell them the hoe, the sc****rs, the cats sitting in the yards are there to help be good stewards.

It’s a losing battle. We are being watched. And we are being found wanting.

And once we let them on our farms, don’t expect it to stop with carbon. Is this what we want?

[SASKFARMER]

Sheep you hit the nail on the head only thing is the Carbon tax is a tax on everything we touch or do. So were paying already through the nose.

Some want a dollar an acre but are willing to spend an extra 60 in extra cost. See where I'm going we either hit this now and hit it hard or get ****ed forever.

[therealnorthernf]

The way i see it though is that if they start paying us for the ridiculous notion of “capturing carbon”, will they not also charge us for that carbon which we emit? All the inputs, fuel, nitrogen, iron, herbicides? Let alone the wildlife habitat destruction we collectively do.

So yeah, they maybe will give us a whopping few bucks an acre, but they will also get their grubby paws all over every aspect of how we farm; forced soil tests, fertilizer restrictions, paperwork to prove it all. Slippery slope.

I also don’t think a person can no till and that is all it takes to be a good steward of the land. Consumers are watching what we do closer than you think. IMO, notill while great, does not cover all the other sins. Tell a city person that sees sprayer tracks in every field multiple times a year that because we notill, we are just great stewards of the land! Tell them you rotate two crops, that you use glyphosate, fungicides, high fertilizer rates. They won’t buy it. Tell them the hoe, the sc****rs, the cats sitting in the yards are there to help be good stewards.

It’s a losing battle. We are being watched. And we are being found wanting.

And once we let them on our farms, don’t expect it to stop with carbon. Is this what we want?

Isn't that all happening now?

Ag in Canada is the next whipping boy(person) for the greenies and gov'ts.. if we don't get ahead of them expect to be attacked from all sides.