Heard other way, winter only has additives to counter gelling, just like adding Howes etc. BTU nearly identical.
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Originally posted by Herc View PostWinter fuel does have lower cetane levels. So won’t have the power/efficiency. You can notice it in late fall when they start switching to winter diesel and you are still out there combining. All I know is you hook a kite to a John Deere it’ll burn an outrageous amount of fuel, what’s another 5%....
Best thing we did fuel wise wasn’t winter vs. summer or where we get it from, it was switching the color of paint....
We're blue.
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Originally posted by GDR View PostSo someone mentioned the storage life of diesel? How long can you store it? Not sure you can get a year out of gas but diesel should be good for a number of years, or not?
I've stored 8 months and never had an issue. Most gets turned in 3-6 months. I have 3x1000gal ground level, and 2x500gal ground level tanks, that are manifolded together through 1 pump. I used to carry, and separately meter both clear and dyed, hence the reason I have more smaller tanks rather than 1 large one.
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Originally posted by helmsdale View PostNew formulations are less stable than they used to be... both the Soviets and Americans used to store diesel for long periods in underground caverns for strategic purposes. That was constant temp, with no moisture infiltration, and continuously cycled.
I've stored 8 months and never had an issue. Most gets turned in 3-6 months. I have 3x1000gal ground level, and 2x500gal ground level tanks, that are manifolded together through 1 pump. I used to carry, and separately meter both clear and dyed, hence the reason I have more smaller tanks rather than 1 large one.
42 Cetane on Winter, no Bio.
46-49 Cetane on Summer, no Bio as long as Winter is being produced at refinery in Regina[40Cetane Winter only available from Edm Refinery... was 85cents/L Friday-28C Winter for another week at rack... then to -20C at Edm rack]... Federated Summer has at least 10% more energy than Winter... Pay end of May, in NE-AB Dyed Diesel 89.1cents/L for large volumes till Tuesday...[Federated Summer is good for a year at least with no Bio... about 8 months when SummerBio blend is recommended storage time...Last edited by TOM4CWB; Mar 6, 2021, 06:27.
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Originally posted by fjlip View PostHeard other way, winter only has additives to counter gelling, just like adding Howes etc. BTU nearly identical.
In our semis that we run commercially with, we always notice a drop in fuel mileage around Oct 31 and it picks back up late March/early April. Fill up at the same cardlock every time.
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Originally posted by zeefarmer View PostIn our semis that we run commercially with, we always notice a drop in fuel mileage around Oct 31 and it picks back up late March/early April. Fill up at the same cardlock every time.
Fuel economy decline from summer running to winter running: 10% typically. Running summer fuel in winter? 9.5%.
Those numbers are hardly any more meaningful than rounding errors. Cold components, increased idle time, slushy roads, and possibly more wind are likely the largest contributors.
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That's interesting. I've always wanted to burn "summer" fuel in winter, but never have had the storage. But no matter the climatic conditions in Nov or March, I can watch fuel mileage drop and rise based on the time of year. I've kept records of every fill from 2 different trucks over 12 years.
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Originally posted by zeefarmer View PostThat's interesting. I've always wanted to burn "summer" fuel in winter, but never have had the storage. But no matter the climatic conditions in Nov or March, I can watch fuel mileage drop and rise based on the time of year. I've kept records of every fill from 2 different trucks over 12 years.
Used Diesel Services "Arctic 4+" at about double the recommended dosage to treat it. It works, but I only use it now if I have a Tank of summer diesel I really dont feel like sitting on till summer.
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Originally posted by blackpowder View PostHere, at UFA anyway, we're told it's seasonally adjusted. Not sure when you'd get true #2. Only a few months. Some claim efficiency goes down when on summer fuel with the bio adds.
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Originally posted by helmsdale View PostI used to be a believer in this... So I took 4000gal of clear summer diesel and treated the ever living shit out of it. Used it the majority of one winter in my truck hauling commercial. Used IFTA reports to compare against all the other trucks in the fleet. All of our trucks were within a few MPG of each other, with some reliably higher and others reliably lower. Other trucks burning winter fuel, mine burning summer fuel, my % difference from where I usually stack up against the other trucks? +0.3%. MPG differerence from previous winters? +0.5%.
Fuel economy decline from summer running to winter running: 10% typically. Running summer fuel in winter? 9.5%.
Those numbers are hardly any more meaningful than rounding errors. Cold components, increased idle time, slushy roads, and possibly more wind are likely the largest contributors.
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Originally posted by Freightshaker View PostNow take winter fuel and burn it in July. You’ll see the difference. If you “treated the ever living shit†out of summer fuel you basically got winter fuel anyways?
Perhaps treating summer fuel with DSG 4+ is the same thing as winter? In that case It would truly be a waste of cash as you get all the expense and none of the benefit.
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