No pressure eh !

[bucket]

I actually called Viterra higher up about the closure and its impact years ago...

The guy called up my name and said I only did X amount of business with them ....essentailly telling me to phuck off...

Never mind I had X amount in other names.....he didn't care..and was quick to get me off the phone...


That letter is an interesting start but if a guy like Jeworski watches business slide to Richardson , P&H , G3 and Cargill....I doubt a letter will help when a multi billion project was announced with their infrastructure in place...

I don't get paid to do his thinking...and its obvious you know nothing of this area...

As far as your falling back on railways excuse.....in order to service Stongfield/GDT to the north the train has to go past Eyebrow loaded and empty cars....

And yes i do think Viterra deserved the bill for the highway...not gonna happen...but they are the ones that phucked it up...

[jazz]

Re: Eyebrow Viterra.

If Viterra won't sell it to any competition..... Then it would appear to be viable.

Unless there is something structurally wrong with this facility it is a shame its only full of air.
I'm sure there are some countries that would give their eye teeth to have a facility like that.
What is it? About 35 years old? Looks like the same type of build that is east of Regina that they upgraded with steel annexes and a loop track, etc.

Maybe its being reserved for China or Saudi Arabia?

[bucket]

Maybe its being reserved for China or Saudi Arabia?

G3 won't buy existing facilities when I spoke to them on the announcement of the Swift Current build.

[bucket]

Blaithin

As a boomer...your words not mine...hehehe

I am tiring of your side....while I appreciate your comments ....i don't think you are changing your mind on this issue...

I live with the consequences of Viterra decision....to the tune of higher bills due to fuel tires repairs along with storage costs i would rather not have on my farm...

I don't go gaga over a line of steel bins...i do enjoy a cashable cheque without extra expenses.

[Blaithin]

I actually called Viterra higher up about the closure and its impact years ago...

The guy called up my name and said I only did X amount of business with them ....essentailly telling me to phuck off...

Never mind I had X amount in other names.....he didn't care..and was quick to get me off the phone...


That letter is an interesting start but if a guy like Jeworski watches business slide to Richardson , P&H , G3 and Cargill....I doubt a letter will help when a multi billion project was announced with their infrastructure in place...

I don't get paid to do his thinking...and its obvious you know nothing of this area...

As far as your falling back on railways excuse.....in order to service Stongfield/GDT to the north the train has to go past Eyebrow loaded and empty cars....

And yes i do think Viterra deserved the bill for the highway...not gonna happen...but they are the ones that phucked it up...

They have been making questionable decisions for a few years, the closure of a small terminal is hardly the cherry on the cake.

You can't know the ludicrous reasoning behind railway logic until you've dealt with them. I'm not saying that's for sure what happened in this case, but it's highly likely it plays a part. Saying trains go past it doesn't matter. The main drive behind loop tracks in new builds and changing spur lines to loops or kidney beans is the railways saying they want to service loops, not lines. Railways also want large trains, over 100 cars, to make it more worth their while. They don't want to piss around with 30 car spots.

And no, I'm not well versed in that area. You know what area I do know? One that has access to roughly 17 terminals, ranging from about 17,000mt up to 50,000mt. All within an hour and a half of my driveway. Some uphill, some downhill; some on mainlines, some not; some on main highways, some on dinky secondary's; some new builds, some refurbished old AgPros; Some loop tracks, some spurs. If companies are paying to build to duke it out in this area (not much of which is irrigated), then if the potential is as much as you say, they would be, or are, looking in your area.

It's funny how you can look at where companies are building and how they all seem to always pick the same locations with 2 or 3 companies building. Vegreville area got a lot of attention as has Northern Alberta in the last few years. Southern Alberta is starting to get looked at closer too. So if G3 and Viterra and Patterson and GCC are all building new sites in areas closely to each other, how come not one of them has decided your area is perfect? That is the big flag to me that something is going on that makes it not easy for them to build there. Here the big blind spot is Red Deer County. There isn't one big build in that county, just old wooden builds. Even if they want to build there, they end up moving out to an alternate site in a different county.

There's lots of factors at play in terminal locations. You only seem to care about a small handful, superficially.

[bucket]

They have been making questionable decisions for a few years, the closure of a small terminal is hardly the cherry on the cake.

You can't know the ludicrous reasoning behind railway logic until you've dealt with them. I'm not saying that's for sure what happened in this case, but it's highly likely it plays a part. Saying trains go past it doesn't matter. The main drive behind loop tracks in new builds and changing spur lines to loops or kidney beans is the railways saying they want to service loops, not lines. Railways also want large trains, over 100 cars, to make it more worth their while. They don't want to piss around with 30 car spots.

And no, I'm not well versed in that area. You know what area I do know? One that has access to roughly 17 terminals, ranging from about 17,000mt up to 50,000mt. All within an hour and a half of my driveway. Some uphill, some downhill; some on mainlines, some not; some on main highways, some on dinky secondary's; some new builds, some refurbished old AgPros; Some loop tracks, some spurs. If companies are paying to build to duke it out in this area (not much of which is irrigated), then if the potential is as much as you say, they would be, or are, looking in your area.

It's funny how you can look at where companies are building and how they all seem to always pick the same locations with 2 or 3 companies building. Vegreville area got a lot of attention as has Northern Alberta in the last few years. Southern Alberta is starting to get looked at closer too. So if G3 and Viterra and Patterson and GCC are all building new sites in areas closely to each other, how come not one of them has decided your area is perfect? That is the big flag to me that something is going on that makes it not easy for them to build there. Here the big blind spot is Red Deer County. There isn't one big build in that county, just old wooden builds. Even if they want to build there, they end up moving out to an alternate site in a different county.

There's lots of factors at play in terminal locations. You only seem to care about a small handful, superficially.

Shit Blaithin ...you sucked me into a further discussion but i can't not respond....you trickster you...

I will highlight in bold what i find interesting


You can't know the ludicrous reasoning behind railway logic until you've dealt with them. I'm not saying that's for sure what happened in this case, but it's highly likely it plays a part. Saying trains go past it doesn't matter. The main drive behind loop tracks in new builds and changing spur lines to loops or kidney beans is the railways saying they want to service loops, not lines. Railways also want large trains, over 100 cars, to make it more worth their while. They don't want to piss around with 30 car spots.

Ok so the railways will allow G3, as an example , to operate CP's train on the loop for loading....

But an elevator with no other business on a branch line can't load straight through the same as a loop? You understand the logic I am suggesting...With the diminished business and the appropriate distance to load on these branch lines why do need to limit the carload to the spot anymore...

If Eyebrow could load 112 cars straight through ..surely the rules could be changed to treat it like a loop...the only other customer is the Viterra at Strongfield/GDT and one other...but surely to christ CP knows what they are sending for trains on that branch line...
Hope that is clear enough explanation...

Maybe that is some of the thought process I forgot to mention in my earlier musings about this point...

You have engaged in a good discussion...maybe some lurker at Viterra/CP will read our discussion.

[bucket]

In years that there is good production it sure seems odd that idling facilities makes more sense than utilizing them.

[Guest]

One other side effect of COVID is that old useless things are becoming valuable again
I mean , when a 2x4 costs $12 ?
Maybe some will rub off on govt and big business ?
I bet food wastage is way down also ?

[farmboy44]

I might have watched but it was stupid politicians that allowed it to happen...Lyle Stewart wants a billion dollar irrigation project and talks about the vision he had....highway 42 got rebuilt while he was envisioning this grand irrigation scheme and still wasn't smart enough to demand a primary highway upgrade....

How the phuck can you entice business here when the railways won't co-operate and the government is remiss to at least build better infrastructure on a rebuild????


Just little more about the area....essentially straight west of Eyebrow about 35 miles is Riverhurst where ,as they were installing the irrigation some 30 years ago, the elevators were being torn out and being replaced with the one at Eyebrow....rail line to riverhurst disappeared...and the highway is still secondary ...and the irrigation project is still funded 40 bucks an acre

Bucket ... the ... grain ... company ... doesn’t ... need ... to ... justify... why ... they ... dont ... want ... to ... operate ... the ... elevator ...

[LEP]

In years that there is good production it sure seems odd that idling facilities makes more sense than utilizing them.

Why did you stop using a smaller drill in favour of a bigger one? Because it made more sense and was more efficient.

The use of every asset in any business is evaluated based on what ROI can be expected from its use. If fact one business may achieve a bigger ROI than another with the same asset.

I know it seems simple to move the highway but it also seemed simple to my son when he was 10 years old to put an overpass at every rail crossing.

Sometimes you just have to quit beating a dead horse.