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    #41
    Originally posted by Chief View Post
    Isn’t the solution to pollution, dilution. In the rural areas we have ample dilution. It’s time to address the problem right at it’s source. Jack up the carbon taxes in the urban centers, mount wind generators on all the sky scrappers and cover all the south facing windows with solar panels. Urban dwellers created their pollution problem let them solve it. This is one issue that we are not all in together.
    That policy absolutely applies to actual Pollution, such as the particulate smog in densely populated areas. Not an issue in rural areas.
    This poll is about the vital plant food known as CO2, nothing to do with pollution. Fortunately for us, it does migrate from the cities out to our farms where our crops benefit from it.

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      #42
      Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
      That policy absolutely applies to actual Pollution, such as the particulate smog in densely populated areas. Not an issue in rural areas.
      This poll is about the vital plant food known as CO2, nothing to do with pollution. Fortunately for us, it does migrate from the cities out to our farms where our crops benefit from it.
      The eco zealots are worried about ppm of CO2 so I believe the dilution argument still applies.
      I do agree that our crops will be happy with extra CO2. The point I was trying to make tongue in cheek is that in my rural area I don’t feel there is a problem. The woke urban liberal voters can solve their “climate change emergency” and leave me alone.

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        #43
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        The greatest risk on my farm is always weather. If I get 1/2 a crop next year because of drought or flood, the losses will amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost income that will make the impact of a carbon tax look insignificant.

        Climate scientists have already identified the increasing frequency of extreme weather events as symptomatic of climate change.
        You are no longer permitted to use the unproven argument of extreme weather, jet stream etc. Remember when I offered to help you prove your extraordinary claims with the extraordordinary evidence of analyzing the actual weather records, and you declined? Under the pretext that us dumb farmers can't possibly figure out how to read the daily data on the environment Canada website, or use an Excel spreadsheet.
        Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Dec 22, 2020, 16:00.

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          #44
          Back to the original poll question. I am by far more worried about the 2030 carbon tax effect on my bottom line than the increase in CO2 levels. I don’t see viable options to offset this deep reach into my pocket book.

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            #45
            See pea brains like Chucky think a Carbon tax that only Canada is doing will change the climate. Reality is that's what he is pushing Canada the shit hole of the north is screwing up its economy to push some brain-damaged Carbon tax that will do zero to change the climate weather whatever the **** you want.

            Discussing stuff with chuck is like talking to a brick wall only thing is the brick wall makes more sense.

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              #46
              Originally posted by SASKFARMER View Post
              See pea brains like Chucky think a Carbon tax that only Canada is doing will change the climate. Reality is that's what he is pushing Canada the shit hole of the north is screwing up its economy to push some brain-damaged Carbon tax that will do zero to change the climate weather whatever the **** you want.

              Discussing stuff with chuck is like talking to a brick wall only thing is the brick wall makes more sense.
              1.6% of planets, contribution to C02, reduced by 30% while KILLING our country= SFA CC, IF IFthat made the slightest change, we would need to wait a 100 years to see/measure it.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Chief View Post
                I don’t see viable options to offset this deep reach into my pocket book.
                I wouldnt despair yet.

                It depends where the tax will be applied the harshest. Diesel is exempt for now and there are no hydrogen combines on the horizon. The world might be in an oversupply of oil situation and 50c a L could be barely noticeable. Oil was $140 a decade ago.

                Natural gas seems to be a target and if you need drying. Home heating and fertilizer.

                But some companies are ahead of Trudeau. There are pilot programs to blend hydrogen with nat gas. Enbridge is experimenting with 2% blend in Ontario. Not sure how high they can go.

                And if solar is going to be a thing in Canada, they are going to need land in southern ab and sk to do it. It wont work anywhere else in the country.

                If it gets too crazy our farm can always go back to 1/3 chem fallow and we have secondary income from our stock portfolio. I dont care if the world starves.

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                  #48
                  I wonder if at some point it will be more economical to switch over to the higher polluting diesel as a dryer burner fuel source, as we continue along this road to stupidity.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                    Nope. Weather is weather and climate is what happens over decades.

                    But are you going to ignore the impact climate change can have on the intensity or frequency of extreme weather events? Or the impact it has on the jet stream and extended periods of blocking patterns?

                    It's all in the peer reviewed published climate science.

                    Every province if they want to can design a carbon pricing system that supports farmers. Most would rather blame the feds than support their own farmers.
                    Is it carbon or is it sun spots ? Or is it 80% sun activity and it’s relation to particle forcing and 20% other factors in which carbon is a small percentage?
                    Answer truthfully......

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                      #50
                      I dont expect the liberals to understand supply and demand. They are too stupid to run a lemonade stand, but if you artificially make NG $8 per GJ and gas $2 a litre and urea $800, then companies are going to start chasing supply and fill that market and the price wont stay there long. Gas was $7 a GJ in 2008 and look what happened.

                      They are going to need another level of forced regulation to make this fly like banning drilling or something that stupid.

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