Carbon Tax efficiencies...?????

[bucket]

When you look at the farming practices of today can anyone find more efficiencies to how we farm by imposing a carbon tax?


How would there be a more efficient way to move grain to export position than the way we are currently doing it....prairie terminal to port?? why would any government impose taxes on the most efficient way of moving grain.....is there a better way????

From farm to port I don't know of any physical way to make it more efficient...I grow grain, bin it or sometimes preferably direct to the local elevator from the combine eliminating two steps.....

Why are both those carbon taxed when there is no other way?


These are two examples of making our farms more uncompetitive on the world stage....countries buying our grain don't care if I am paying a carbon tax....they want grain at the lowest price....and quality that just makes specs....

Trudeau and his gang of minions are ruining this country....i don't know why the people that vote for him can't understand this...

[MBgrower]

Import all our food from foreign countries, turn our land back to grasslands, and proudly proclaim to the UN that Canada is now carbon neutral.

[chuckChuck]

Fertilizer usage. Its the largest single fossil energy input into crop production.

Nutrient management will undergo scrutiny and research to reduce usage and losses and minimize nitrous oxide emissions while still maintaining yield. According to the scientists there is room for substantial improvement.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Import all our food from foreign countries, turn our land back to grasslands, and proudly proclaim to the UN that Canada is now carbon neutral.

As long as FSU, south America, Africa etc. don't follow us down this road to ruin, then what you say is exactly how it wil play out. And the twits such as Chuck are just willfully blind to the fact that forcing emissions to other countries does SFA for reducing emissions in the big picture.

[MBgrower]

Increased carbon taxes on farms is just the warning shot, the death blow will come when nitrogen fertilizer limits or outright bans are implemented.

[edl]

Great Idea use less fert grow less crop so china russia and brazil can grow more and fill the gap.
Liberal retards and everyone that voted for them should go without groceries or pay 10 times the price.

[TASFarms]

We could build bins on all the old rail sidings and load producer cars. That seems to cross my mind from time to time.

[LEP]

We could build bins on all the old rail sidings and load producer cars. That seems to cross my mind from time to time.

Railways are way ahead of us. They have been reducing the designated producer car loading sites for years. I think there is one in Kerrobert. Might get cars on AGT's south line but every other siding has had tracks and switches pulled so there is no reversing the decision. Beadle might still have switches but not a designated producer car siding.

[TASFarms]

Beadle has an oil loading that they don’t seem to use. Could build it like a co-op to get more cars.

[TASFarms]

Railways have no problem spending a day to push a couple frac sand cars around.

[jazz]

This article was out yesterday showing the oilsands has already been able to reduce its carbon intensity. Looks like they might be able to escape the brunt of a carbon tax before it even rises too much. That group got zero credits from the govt as well and just had to find a way to produce the same for less CO2.

On the bad news, in my estimation that leaves 2 other industries as targets, agriculture and transportation of commodities. (of which farmers pay trucking and freight).

Farmers might be holding a pretty big bag unless we get our sht together.

Not sure what we can do. Diesel is exempt, NG isnt so that means drying and fertilizer and chem are going to be impacted.

Might have to look at storing fert. Buy 10yrs worth and put er in the shed. We dont use a dryer so thats a bonus.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oilsands-emissions-intensity-35-lower-drop-another-19 Oilsands emissions intensity 35% lower than reported and could drop another 19%, new study says

[jazz]

So this even worse. CO2 has a subsequent calculation to N2O equivalents that make it much more expensive.

From the article;

After calculating estimated emissions and converting the carbon tax to N2O equivalents, he’s calculated that a tax could reach $57.39 per hectare ($19.08 per acre) with a $50 carbon tax. (If you’re trying to do the math at home, Tenuta assumes we’re emitting 0.002 tonnes of N per hectare. He converts that to the N2O equivalent, then to the CO2 equivalent. Then he multiplies that by the per tonne price of the tax. I’ve converted his results to dollars per acre.)
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So guess what boys. At $170 carbon tax would equate $60 per acre in equivalent taxes. That doesnt even begin to cost in the extra costs passed on to Canadian farmers from CN and chem inputs.

Can you say Bye bye Canadian ag. Hope you all enjoy making chem fallow again because fertilizer will be too expensive by the time this is done.

https://www.grainews.ca/features/changing-nitrogen-use-to-avoid-taxes/ Changing nitrogen use to avoid taxes

[Guest]

This article was out yesterday showing the oilsands has already been able to reduce its carbon intensity. Looks like they might be able to escape the brunt of a carbon tax before it even rises too much. That group got zero credits from the govt as well and just had to find a way to produce the same for less CO2.

On the bad news, in my estimation that leaves 2 other industries as targets, agriculture and transportation of commodities. (of which farmers pay trucking and freight).

Farmers might be holding a pretty big bag unless we get our sht together.

Not sure what we can do. Diesel is exempt, NG isnt so that means drying and fertilizer and chem are going to be impacted.

Might have to look at storing fert. Buy 10yrs worth and put er in the shed. We dont use a dryer so thats a bonus.

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oilsands-emissions-intensity-35-lower-drop-another-19 Oilsands emissions intensity 35% lower than reported and could drop another 19%, new study says

Lucky a grain dryer is optional for you
Sure as hell isn’t around here

[jazz]

Lucky a grain dryer is optional for you
Sure as hell isn’t around here

Anybody in this game long term better get ready to make some drastic changes before this all hits.

There are 2 watershed dates to watch. The tax challenge at the supreme court resolves in march and skippys re-election which will come likely in the spring. Those 2 things go against us and she is game over.

[MBgrower]

Ag will look like the W.Can energy economy in the not too distant future, sad to say.