is the free ride over for grid tied solar?

[tweety]

Here is a couple thoughts Tweety, my average cost of electricity over the year works out to just over 19 cents a kwh. Of that 19 cents 6.8 cents a kwh is generation, the rest is transmission, distribution and administration, so even if the electrical generation is free my cost is 12.2 cents a kwh. A gigajoule of natural gas is the equivalent energy of 277 kwh of electricity which if it was generated for free would still cost me $33.79. A gigajoule of natural gas delivered to my house today all in is $8.55, which is still B.S. because the actual cost of the natural gas is $2.40. I am still getting bent over on natural gas but not as bad as if I had to rely only on electricity. So tweety “get off your butt” and explain how I am wrong!

Not sure what you either are complaining about or are wrong about. More importantly, how are you going to reduce your energy needs for your waterer?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Not sure what you either are complaining about or are wrong about. More importantly, how are you going to reduce your energy needs for your waterer?

The logical conclusion of how to reduce energy needs of farmers in a cold northern country, is to make energy so expensive here that farmers can't afford to compete on the world market. Then Countries unburdened by such measures can gain that marketshare, and consume cheap energy there, releasing emissions there instead. It will very effectively reduce Canada's emissions, and successfully move them somewhere else on the globe.
What I can't figure out is how that will save the world from plant food?

[tweety]

The logical conclusion of how to reduce energy needs of farmers in a cold northern country, is to make energy so expensive here that farmers can't afford to compete on the world market. Then Countries unburdened by such measures can gain that marketshare, and consume cheap energy there, releasing emissions there instead. It will very effectively reduce Canada's emissions, and successfully move them somewhere else on the globe.
What I can't figure out is how that will save the world from plant food?

So burn more energy to ensure your survival

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So burn more energy to ensure your survival

Taken out of context, it is the most rational thing you have posted. In the middle of winter, in a cold country, this advice can, and should, and must be taken literally. Well said.
Although energy is not really burned, going back to that pesky first law of thermodynamics again.

[farming101]

So burn more energy to ensure your survival

[Hamloc]

Not sure what you either are complaining about or are wrong about. More importantly, how are you going to reduce your energy needs for your waterer?

Very simple Tweety, people like yourself and Chuck2 promote switching to electricity over fossil fuels as a technological advancement and that electricity generated by renewables is cheaper than fossil fuels. What I am pointing out is that for certain applications such as home heating this assertion is false. As far as my cattle waterers go when it is -30 there is no replacement for electric heat elements in my opinion. I do add extra insulation to increase the efficiency and reduce chances of them freezing up.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A5 must be getting bored again bringing up his favorite doom and gloom story again just to see if I am still out there! So much for wanting me blocked! Is it time for another chicken photo from Blaithin? LOL

I don't think Blaithin has a monopoly on posting chicken photos. If you think a thread is off topic, and feel the need, you have every right to post a picture of a chicken, or even a turkey if it suits your purposes better. It would be the most ag related post you have ever made too.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

I randomly select Dec 21 of every year to evaluate solar energy production. Take this number and multiply it by 365 to get your annual production.

[chuckChuck]

Here is a couple thoughts Tweety, my average cost of electricity over the year works out to just over 19 cents a kwh. Of that 19 cents 6.8 cents a kwh is generation, the rest is transmission, distribution and administration, so even if the electrical generation is free my cost is 12.2 cents a kwh. A gigajoule of natural gas is the equivalent energy of 277 kwh of electricity which if it was generated for free would still cost me $33.79. A gigajoule of natural gas delivered to my house today all in is $8.55, which is still B.S. because the actual cost of the natural gas is $2.40. I am still getting bent over on natural gas but not as bad as if I had to rely only on electricity. So tweety “get off your butt” and explain how I am wrong!

Hamloc ypu just made the case for Saskatchewan to keep our provincially owned Sask Power. Farmers in Saskatchewan pay significantly less for electricity than farmers in Alberta. You are paying a nice profit to a privately owned utility.

Higher energy prices drive efficiency and conservation gains.

I am always amazed by the number of people who think its okay to leave their tractor or vehicle plugged in all the time or all night when they could use a timer for a couple of hours. A 1000 or 1500 watt block heater running all day is kind of stupid unless you dont know when you will need your vehicle or tractor? A small example of waste but still significant when tens of thousands of people do it.

[oneoff]

Just woke up, and noticed not much has changed or been learned in many months in regards grid tied solar energy.
But there is some progress being made in the development of a "carbon neutral" electrical energy injected into the Sask power grid (certainly not more widely known as cogeneration and flare gas electrical generation) The meter on the installation. commissioned the first week of July 2020 read some 21000 Kwh of "delivered" and 4 Kwh "received" a couple days ago. That will have increased by 5500+ watts continuous production (basically each and every intervening hour) without regard to time of day, temperature, hours of sunlight or other variable weather conditions). That's a 120/240V single phase system; and the reason the "received" reading is so low is that the grid is only used as an emergency backup supply.
Some might consider a three phase inspector/3rd party certified approved equipment/with provincial power grid blessing and even a smart meter to be a little more impressive. That's 3 phase production of a continuous 13000 watts at 208V. These inverters are rated for 6000 watts each, but I'm not that greedy and can't see the sense of maximizing an approved energy production that has been donated for free.
Please don't make me feel bad by insinuating this energy is being produced in time periods of limited useful demand....as that would indicate that a record of 5 months (first week of July to the present date)
does not have a smaller outage time than those connected to the provincial grid.
From a personal point of view; it would't be smart to argue against peak time of use charges.....but that's pretty immaterial when there is no way to get paid for any excess production (in the first place).