UK Lockdown

[jazz]

....is over, after 1 month hard lockdown, UK, Scottland and Wales.....including all business, restaurants and non essential items off limits. Schools, travel, indoor gatherings, entertainment, sports all shut down and topped off with a mask mandate. Basically a repeat of the spring lockdown and about as hard of a lock down and you are going to get without martial law.

Result; more corona cases than a month ago.

Wonder which group will get the blame this time.

New proposed solution; another lockdown under consideration

Insanity defined. We will kill ourselves long before we eradicate a virus this way.

[ajl]

Then you think that if there had been no government action at all so far, we would be better off then we are now. In AB there has been lockdowns as well and the cases have risen too. I think the peak of the second wave is in so we should see lower numbers soon. Thing is that covid cops are not going to ticket diversity and that is were many of the new cases are coming from. The laws only apply to middle class white folk and there are at low risk anyways so its like there are no draconian lockdowns at all. If government had done nothing, things would not be any different as far as case numbers and we would not have lost elective surgery back in May and June so fewer would have been in hospital at the start of the second wave. Government can only be counted on to do the wrong thing.

[Blaithin]

It’s interesting to me how non community we have become. You hear lots of stories of the “Good ole days” of bonspiels, socials, barn buildings, fall suppers, homecomings, etc. Reminiscing of the general sense of community we used to have, everyone helping and having fun with everyone, no matter if they really knew them or not. How somewhere that’s been lost. It’s rare to find now and not usually the same when you do. It could be said it was lost with urbanization but honestly it’s easier to find in most suburbs than in rural these days. Maybe because of the different cultures found in suburbs. Rural seems to be the flagship of “Rights and Freedoms!!!!!!! Exclamation point. Exclamation point.”

This shift can be seen in approach to almost anything set forth to deal with Covid.

Countries with We before Me mindsets have had marked success with implementing Covid strictures. Asian countries and I believe this is also part of success in Scandinavian regions. Probably other places as well.These are cultures that hold the whole above the individual - not to be confused with anyone who wants to jump in here and bash communism or socialism. I’m not talking any political form here. Just culture mindset. They are more community driven.

In comparison you look more “west” and you get more selfish. We are all about Me. How convenient is it for Me. How effective is it for Me. My rights are being infringed. My freedoms are being taken away.

Is it good we think this way, is it bad? Who’s to say. Maybe time will tell.

All I know is I’m awful tired hearing about it.

If our rights and freedoms are so individual, then leave us to ours and keep yours to yourself.

[agstar77]

There would be no lockdown if it was we before me, but there are too many selfish individuals.

[Blaithin]

Also for what it’s worth... I’m on a fairly predominant UK forum. Chat with quite a few from there. Here’s from this morning after your post Jazz:

[ajl]

That is why this is going nowhere. Socialists think they are right and the other guy is stupid, wont concede an inch and are not prepared to examine evidence that does not support their theory. Debate with them is less productive than debating a fencepost so no use even trying.

[Blaithin]

Yeah.... that’s definitely only a socialist trait.

[jazz]

Or maybe, just maybe the simplest explanation is the right one, the science is wrong and lockdowns dont work.

Wanting to be more like china is frankly 100x more terrifying than any virus.

[Blaithin]

Who said anything about being like China? Are those the only two options, individuals or Chinese? (For that matter is China the only Asian country to you?)

It’s fun picking and choosing which science to follow.

Bad & Fake
- Covid
- Climate Change

True and Always Right
- GMOs
- Chemical safety

It’s kind of like playing scrabble. Pick up a tile and whatever it says on the other side you have to make up an argument to staunchly defend. No other logic applicable.

It does make me wonder Jazz, what is your purpose of these endlessly repetitive tropes. Do you think you’re going to change somebody’s mind and opinion? Or are you simply doing it because you feel it makes others look stupid?

If the former, I have to wonder why; people notoriously do not change their opinions.

If the latter, you must be a very upstanding individual to take such enjoyment in the idea of trying to make others appear less. I believe there are a multitude of sayings about people being insecure and therefore putting others down.

One reason has little chance of success, the other has nothing good to recommend it. Maybe you have a different motive?

[agstar77]

I have heard an ex dictator saying science does not know.

[jazz]

Bad & Fake
- Covid
- Climate Change

True and Always Right
- GMOs
- Chemical safety

Lets qualify that statement, the missing element is choice, isnt it? Are GMOs forced on the public under threat of govt penalties. Any customer can choose not to eat GMOs.

What are the alternatives to draconian covid and climate mandates?

Any science backed up with force isnt science any more. Its politics or worse.

[Blaithin]

Lets qualify that statement, the missing element is choice, isnt it? Are GMOs forced on the public under threat of govt penalties. Any customer can choose not to eat GMOs.

What are the alternatives to draconian covid and climate mandates?

Any science backed up with force isnt science any more. Its politics or worse.

So it’s not that you don’t think Covid and Climate Change are issues, you just don’t like government involvement and force.

[malleefarmer]

We've had strict measures and lockdowns.

Most agree its for the greater good but has hurt economy.

Not to much chest beating about our rights etc.

Sort of for the greater good, or we over me.

Most australians want it gone and elimination mindset but tis a wishful thought.

Saw a survey yesterday 7/10 australians agree with measures that have been in place.

You guys have put vids up over the last few months of how “bad” things were in parts of oz during lockdown.

Went into local regional centre about 9500 people a few wearing masks, got asked to mask up entering a bank
Supplied or use your own. Almost a oxymoron.


I complied

Masks not mandatory that passed after 7 days a few weeks back.

Mandatory on public transport.

[malleefarmer]

2 bussinesses had to sign a declaration time entered full name address email mobile number and time left.

And previous bussiness visited.

I suggested app shows all this but not everybody has app.

Just comply move on get home asap.

[rumrocks]

Yeah.... that’s definitely only a socialist trait.

At one time I voted socialist[liberal] federally when they were a fiscally sensible, approachable govt.
All governments show a certain degree of arrogance during question period, but if pressed hard they will answer a question as they know the voters are watching.

The present govt has taken arrogance to a level that few have ever seen before, but being unable to change this govt has put many people in a helpless position. This frustration coupled with a huge change in lifestyle in the past 9 months has significantly altered some peoples tolerance levels.

For the people who are comfortable with leaders who abandon common sense on such a gigantic life changing scale, I applaud you, maybe a university prof or genetics enabled you.

For the rest of us who mix common sense and a dabble of risk on a daily basis it is truly disheartening to see the incompetence in Ottawa taking place and coupled with covid restrictions, you may want to cross the street when you see me coming.