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    #61
    Originally posted by jazz View Post
    That answer is simple, the west gets zero credit for what its done and is doing while Quebec gets all the credits and the exemptions.

    Our leaders have demanded for yrs that our sinks be recognized but farming doesnt go over well with the Davos crowd. Canada is already in a carbon deficit without doing a thing. Our forests, farmland, wetlands and water absorb all the carbon Canada will ever produce. We are doing this for china.
    The carbon sinks you speak of also release carbon. Trees die and decompose. Crop residues also release carbon. Zero tillage helps top slow the release and build up soil carbon but it doesn't stop the release. the Carbon cycle was pretty stable prior to settlement, massive land change and then a massive amount of carbon dioxide was released when fossil fuels are burned.
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Dec 13, 2020, 09:30.

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      #62
      Originally posted by bucket View Post
      When are farmers going to be paid for their practices that are reducing emissions ...

      Been no till on this farm with a disc drill for over 20 years...I think I am doing my part but all I get is extra expenses from pollution pricing...
      When SK party gets off their a$$ and designs their own carbon tax system. All the calculations have been done by the soil conservation group, just a matter of implementing. Nothing wrong with fighting the carbon tax but in the meantime we need to have our own plan and not have the feds impose their tax.

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        #63
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        Every province had the option of designing there own carbon pricing scheme. Instead Alberta, Ontario, Saskatchewan chose to let the Feds impose their plan.

        Why not design a provincial plan that would have addressed some of the issues?

        Preston Manning a notable "socialist" spoke in favour of carbon pricing as a market driven way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions. If Preston has figured this out why can't Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario? Alll the revenue they collect can be spent or rebated anyway they want. Including supporting farmers.
        So Chuck2 your ok with Quebec paying a lower carbon tax than Saskatchewan and Alberta? You also didn’t answer my question, do you support Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax plan? Another question, will a carbon tax of $8.93 per gigajoule of natural gas and of 45.65 cents per litre of diesel affect your farm? It will definitely affect mine!

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          #64
          Originally posted by Sodbuster View Post
          When SK party gets off their a$$ and designs their own carbon tax system. All the calculations have been done by the soil conservation group, just a matter of implementing. Nothing wrong with fighting the carbon tax but in the meantime we need to have our own plan and not have the feds impose their tax.
          The frustrating part is I am expected to believe science but no one believes the science of soil sequestration ...

          I am expected to pay for carbon emissions on every litre of fuel I purchased but no credit or payment for what my farm is doing for the environment...

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            #65
            IMHO there is a massive opportunity in central sask thats being missed. The south arm of lake dief could be easily converted to another hydro plant. Goodale might have had it right.

            That spot should be developed into a second power station and then site a nuclear plant nearby, manage the water flow into the chain lakes area for tourism and other developments and even irrigation draws. You could site some weir power facilities at various points on the system as well.

            Billions is my guestimate, but govt is handing cash out like candy. Moe should head to Trudeau with a mea culpa, back off our FF and we will bring your green utopia to life so you can f off to the UN asap.
            Last edited by jazz; Dec 13, 2020, 09:52.

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              #66
              Again Until the SK Party implements their own plan for carbon taxing with carbon credits for farmers we have no idea what the feds will do, but I do believe they will have to believes in the science of soil sequestration.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Sodbuster View Post
                Again Until the SK Party implements their own plan for carbon taxing with carbon credits for farmers we have no idea what the feds will do, but I do believe they will have to believes in the science of soil sequestration.
                Saskatchewan does have a climate plan but it doesn’t involve killing businesses with taxes especially since Saskatchewan is a carbon sink.

                We will have to rely on the eastern biased Supreme Court to do the right thing or wait for a Conservative majority......if Trudeau is re-elected we will have larger wealth redistribution policies and regulations to worry about.

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                  #68
                  I'm not subscribed to Blacklocks Reporter but their headline says it all !

                  https://twitter.com/mindingottawa/status/1334856875289030658 https://twitter.com/mindingottawa/status/1334856875289030658

                  The "secret" figure @AAFC_Canada
                  didn't want you to know! #CarbonTax will cost farmers $235M in 5 yrs says

                  Here's the Toronto Sun's column on the Blacklocks story.

                  https://torontosun.com/news/national/farmers-expected-to-shell-out-235m-for-carbon-tax https://torontosun.com/news/national/farmers-expected-to-shell-out-235m-for-carbon-tax

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                    #69
                    CBC -The Passionate Eye : We saved the world - The hole in the ozone layer is gone b/c we cut out the CFC’s.

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                      #70
                      On the Carbon Tax : Saskatchewan could have collected the tax and given it back to the sequesters while it supported alternative sources like hydro and uranium. It is an option so that the East does not drag out the court case until they sucked us dry.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by beaverdam View Post
                        I'm not subscribed to Blacklocks Reporter but their headline says it all !

                        https://twitter.com/mindingottawa/status/1334856875289030658 https://twitter.com/mindingottawa/status/1334856875289030658

                        The "secret" figure @AAFC_Canada
                        didn't want you to know! #CarbonTax will cost farmers $235M in 5 yrs says

                        Here's the Toronto Sun's column on the Blacklocks story.

                        https://torontosun.com/news/national/farmers-expected-to-shell-out-235m-for-carbon-tax https://torontosun.com/news/national/farmers-expected-to-shell-out-235m-for-carbon-tax

                        Like I tell my neighbours when they are buying equipment....the first payment is easy ..its the next 9 you can't have a guarantee on everything working out...

                        235 million will be more because there is no farm group lobbying against it...effectively.

                        You have Jocelyn Velestuk as president of SSCA pat herself on the back at the Saskpulse AGM last year then getting on 2 other boards ...Sask wheat and CWRC....tell us where her focus is...other than per diem and insider info.

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                          #72
                          Thanks Canada, from your abusive friend China.

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                          Ford response condensed. Sounds like a lot of resistance growing.

                          Last edited by jazz; Dec 13, 2020, 12:05.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Hamloc View Post
                            So Chuck2 your ok with Quebec paying a lower carbon tax than Saskatchewan and Alberta? You also didn’t answer my question, do you support Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax plan? Another question, will a carbon tax of $8.93 per gigajoule of natural gas and of 45.65 cents per litre of diesel affect your farm? It will definitely affect mine!
                            Farm diesel is exempt. Natural gas used for farming operations could be exempt under provincial plans as well. If farmers can’t find efficiencies and adjust to higher carbon prices the provincial plans could pay farmers. Provincial plans could also pay for Carbon credits or allow farmers to sell them to those who need the offsets. No doubt higher carbon prices will affect us all. But so does climate change.

                            Fertilizer usage and nitrous oxide emissions are going to get more attention.

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                              Farm diesel is exempt. Natural gas used for farming operations could be exempt under provincial plans as well. If farmers can’t find efficiencies and adjust to higher carbon prices the provincial plans could pay farmers. Provincial plans could also pay for Carbon credits or allow farmers to sell them to those who need the offsets. No doubt higher carbon prices will affect us all. But so does climate change.

                              Fertilizer usage and nitrous oxide emissions are going to get more attention.
                              I won't argue your comments ...a government that has committed to a 4.5 billion dollar irrigation project for a select few.....has the money to help all farmers on this carbon file...whether they like it or not....they have the money...

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by jazz View Post
                                Thanks Canada, from your abusive friend China.

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                                Ford response condensed. Sounds like a lot of resistance growing.

                                I hope people actually listened to that Ford interview. I cant understand how all of our premier acceptance ratings are going down yet Trudeau is going up. My opinion is the opposite but then again I haven't taken a penny of Trudeau's covid handouts.

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