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    #61
    [QUOTE=TOM4CWB;459557]
    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post

    ChuckC:

    "Some people already had a pre-existing degree of resistance against the virus before it ever infected a human. And it appears to be surprisingly prevalent: 40-60% of unexposed individuals had these cells." Provided by 'T cells"...

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ESAG4V NgVknMYkbnlE7kR_RgkvTuK545HIC7M7GwZKA1h-wKDvnps7co


    From the BBC;

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    The central role of T cells could also help to explain some of the quirks that have so far eluded understanding – from the dramatic escalation in risk that people face from the virus as they get older, to the mysterious discovery that it can destroy the spleen.


    Deciphering the importance of T cells isn’t just a matter of academic curiosity. If scientists know which aspects of the immune system are the most important, they can direct their efforts to make vaccines and treatments that work.

    How immunity unfolds

    Most people probably haven’t thought about T cells, or T lymphocytes as they are also known, since school, but to see just how crucial they are for immunity, we can look to late-stage AIDS. The persistent fevers. The sores. The fatigue. The weight loss. The rare cancers. The normally harmless microbes, such as the fungus Candida albicans – usually found on the skin – which start to take over the body.

    Over the course of months or years, the HIV virus enacts a kind of T cell genocide, in which it hunts them down, gets inside them and systematically makes them commit suicide. “It wipes out a large fraction of them,” says Adrian Hayday, an immunology professor at King’s College London and group leader at the Francis Crick Institute. “And so that really emphasises how incredibly important these cells are – and that antibodies alone are not going to get you through.”

    During a normal immune response – to, let’s say, a flu virus – the first line of defence is the innate immune system, which involves white blood cells and chemical signals that raise the alarm. This initiates the production of antibodies, which kick in a few weeks later.

    “And in parallel with that, starting out about four or five days after infection, you begin to see T cells getting activated, and indications they are specifically recognising cells infected with the virus,” says Hayday. These unlucky cells are then dispatched quickly and brutally – either directly by the T cells themselves, or by other parts of the immune system they recruit to do the unpleasant task for them – before the virus has a chance to turn them into factories that churn out more copies of itself.
    There's growing evidence that some people might have a hidden reservoir of protection from Covid-19 (Credit: Getty Images)
    There's growing evidence that some people might have a hidden reservoir of protection from Covid-19 (Credit: Getty Images)
    The good and bad news

    So, what do we know about T cells and Covid-19?

    “Looking at Covid-19 patients – but also I’m happy to say, looking at individuals who have been infected but did not need hospitalisation – it’s absolutely clear that there are T cell responses,” says Hayday. “And almost certainly this is very good news for those who are interested in vaccines, because clearly we’re capable of making antibodies and making T cells that see the virus. That’s all good.”

    There is a catch, however. In many patients who are hospitalised with more serious Covid-19, the T cell response hasn’t quite gone to plan.

    “Vast numbers of T cells are being affected,” says Hayday. “And what is happening to them is a bit like a wedding party or a stag night gone wrong – I mean massive amounts of activity and proliferation, but the cells are also just disappearing from the blood.”

    One theory is that these T cells are just being redirected to where they’re needed most, such as the lungs. But his team suspects that a lot of them are dying instead.

    “Autopsies of Covid-19 patients are beginning to reveal what we call necrosis, which is a sort of rotting,” he says. This is particularly evident in the areas of the spleen and lymph glands where T cells normally live.

    Disconcertingly, spleen necrosis is a hallmark of T cell disease, in which the immune cells themselves are attacked. “If you look in post-mortems of AIDS patients, you see these same problems,” says Hayday. “But HIV is a virus that directly infects T cells, it knocks on the door and it gets in.” In contrast, there is currently no evidence that the Covid-19 virus is able to do this.

    “There are potentially many explanations for this, but to my knowledge, nobody has one yet,” says Hayday. “We have no idea what is happening. There’s every evidence that the T cells can protect you, probably for many years. But when people get ill, the rug seems to be being pulled from under them in their attempts to set up that protective defence mechanism.”
    T cells can lurk in the body for years after an infection is cleared, providing the immune system with a long-term memory (Credit: Reuters/Alkis Konstantinidis)
    T cells can lurk in the body for years after an infection is cleared, providing the immune system with a long-term memory (Credit: Reuters/Alkis Konstantinidis)
    Dwindling T cells might also be to blame for why the elderly are much more severely affected by Covid-19.

    Hayday points to an experiment conducted in 2011, which involved exposing mice to a version of the virus that causes Sars. Previous research had shown that the virus – which is also a coronavirus and a close relative of Covid-19 – triggered the production of T cells, which were responsible for clearing the infection.

    The follow-up study produced similar results, but the twist was that this time the mice were allowed to grow old. As they did so, their T cell responses became significantly weaker.

    However, in the same experiment, the scientists also exposed mice to a flu virus. And in contrast to those infected with Covid-19, these mice managed to hold onto their T cells that acted against influenza well into their twilight years.

    “It’s an attractive observation, in the sense that it could explain why older individuals are more susceptible to Covid-19,” says Hayday. “When you reach your 30s, you begin to really shrink your thymus [a gland located behind your sternum and between your lungs, which plays an important role in the development of immune cells] and your daily production of T cells is massively diminished.”

    What does this mean for long-term immunity?
    “With the original Sars virus [which emerged in 2002], people went back to patients and definitely found evidence for T cells some years after they these individuals were infected,” says Hayday. “This is again consistent with the idea that these individuals carried protective T cells, long after they had recovered.”

    The fact that coronaviruses can lead to lasting T cells is what recently inspired scientists to check old blood samples taken from people between 2015 and 2018, to see if they would contain any that can recognise Covid-19. The fact that this was indeed the case has led to suggestions that their immune systems learnt to recognise it after being encountering cold viruses with the similar surface proteins in the past.

    This raises the tantalising possibility that the reason some people experience more severe infections is that they haven’t got these hoards of T cells which can already recognise the virus. “I think it’s fair to say that the jury is still out,” says Hayday.

    Unfortunately, no one has ever verified if people make T cells against any of the coronaviruses that give rise to the common cold. “To get funding to study this would have required a pretty Herculean effort,” says Hayday. Research into the common cold fell out of fashion in the 1980s, after the field stagnated and scientists began to move to other projects, such as studying HIV. Making progress since then has proved tricky, because the illness can be caused by any one of hundreds of viral strains – and many of them have the ability to evolve rapidly.
    While antibodies are still important for tracking the spread of Covid-19, they might not save us in the end (Credit: Reuters)
    While antibodies are still important for tracking the spread of Covid-19, they might not save us in the end (Credit: Reuters)
    Will this lead to a vaccine?

    If old exposures to cold viruses really are leading to milder cases of Covid-19, however, this bodes well for the development of a vaccine – since it’s proof that lingering T cells can provide significant protection, even years after they were made.

    But even if this isn’t what’s happening, the involvement of T cells could still be beneficial – and the more we understand what’s going on, the better.

    Hayday explains that the way vaccines are designed generally depends on the kind of immune response scientists are hoping to elicit. Some might trigger the production of antibodies – free-floating proteins which can bind to invading pathogens, and either neutralise them or tag them for another part of the immune system to deal with. Others might aim to get T cells involved, or perhaps provoke a response from other parts of the immune system.

    “There really is an enormous spectrum of vaccine design,” says Hayday. He’s particularly encouraged by the fact that the virus is evidently highly visible to the immune system, even in those who are severely affected. “So if we can stop whatever it’s doing to the T cells of the patients we've had the privilege to work with, then we will be a lot further along in controlling the disease.”

    It seems likely that we are going to be hearing a lot more about T cells in the future."

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      #62
      Tom, thanks for highlighting this article

      The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19

      https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ESAG4V NgVknMYkbnlE7kR_RgkvTuK545HIC7M7GwZKA1h-wKDvnps7co https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook&fbclid=IwAR1ESAG4V NgVknMYkbnlE7kR_RgkvTuK545HIC7M7GwZKA1h-wKDvnps7co

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        #63
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        Says the guys who traveled to Honduras at the beginning of a pandemic. LOL

        As I have pointed out numerous times Saskatchewan's Chief Medical Officer publically stated there were no known Covid infections coming out of the BLM rallies. But don't let that stop you from trying to smeer the BLM movement because you don't agree with it!

        The rallies were of short duration,held out doors, the protesters wore masks and tried keep socially distant Out outdoor events are lower risk.

        The province has also opened up higher risk indoor bars, churches, restaurants and shopping has been going on all along which are potentially sources of covid infections.

        So everyone who goes shopping or church is a potential source of infection.

        But I don't hear anyone criticizing shoppers and church goers! Why the double standard?

        There is only one reason you are criticizing BLM protest and that is because you dont support them and probably don't support the anti racism movement. End of story!
        ummm, you already said that , you are repeating yourself
        you sound like a two year old FFS

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          #64
          So the news is reporting 4 or 5 companies within striking distance of a vaccine. Isnt that incredible, the typical development time to a new vaccine is 10 yrs and we got it done in just 6 months.

          Funny how trump mentions a 10c a day treatment and big pharma goes into overdrive.

          So now that a virus against the corona family is imminent, will the common cold be cured too?

          Or that will go back to the regular decades long studies.

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            #65
            Or Viral Pneumonia, or Hantavirus, or west Nile or Zika or the COLD?

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              #66
              Magical recoveries in Quebec today. What a joke.
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              TORONTO -- Quebec announced a dramatic rise in the number of “recovered” COVID-19 cases Friday as the province introduced a new system for measuring them.
              A whopping 23,686 people were recorded as newly recovered in Quebec on Friday, slashing the overall number of active cases in Canada by more than 80 per cent.
              On Thursday, there were a reported 27,603 active cases across the country, but Friday’s announcement in Quebec brings the total number of active cases in Canada to just 4,058.


              https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/coronavirus/active-coronavirus-cases-in-canada-plummet-as-quebec-changes-recovery-criteria-1.5028586 Active coronavirus cases in Canada plummet as Quebec changes recovery criteria

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                #67
                Originally posted by jazz View Post
                So you actually answered your own question. Covid is not a direct cause of death in any scenario and you say pneumonia is the primary cause of death linked to it.

                So why not mass produce the pneumonia vaccine and distribute it to everyone instead of waiting for a new one to be developed?

                You did know there is a pneumonia vaccine right? basic medicine.

                Logic tweety, it gets you every time.
                There is pneumonia vaccine, to protect you against pneumococcal pneumonia caused by pneumococcal BACTERIA.

                CoV2 is a VIRUS.

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