fiddle while Rome burns

[TOM4CWB]

There were more than a few seed farms pop up the last few years to take advantage of UPOV ..... not so handy now .
Tom , spin it anyway you want , this was coming the minute it was enacted, no different than signing the Paris Accord, the sheep are about to get slaughtered.
For those who can’t see past their own nose .. should have opened your eyes past the b/s from day one ..... there is always an agenda to this shit , and it will never be in the average Joe’s interest ever .

Furrowtickler;

All farmers under the Canada Seeds Act, now have the right to be CSGA Seed growers if they so choose now. CSGA members have democratic rights now... that the NSO seed synergy proposes to restrict or in some cases terminate.

If there is plenty of money to be made... growing pedigreed seed... this is your right to do so now...under our present Canadian statutes.

[furrowtickler]

Furrowtickler;

All farmers under the Canada Seeds Act, now have the right to be CSGA Seed growers if they so choose now. CSGA members have democratic rights now... that the NSO seed synergy proposes to restrict or in some cases terminate.

If there is plenty of money to be made... growing pedigreed seed... this is your right to do so now...under our present Canadian statutes.

That may well be , that’s not the point . UPOV was set up from day one to steal seed growers rights , that’s the thing many never seen coming .
Just saying some seen it as a windfall , never was interested in becoming a seed grower. There are many good seed growers around us already, not enough demand to ever consider the extra work involved. Most have excellent seed farms , some are shit . UPOV was designed to strip seed growers not give them a lottery ticket . That’s the point you may have missed.
There is a reason Cargil ran a pilot project a few years ago with dedicated seed contracts for certified cereal seed treated with the latest and greatest seed treatment for a bazillion dollars/ bus ... they were testing the waters.
I am not for it at all , but just saying it has been coming the day UPOV was brought to the table, they want to bypass the seed grower, which is not right but the writing was on the wall from day one.
Again ... careful for what you wish for .

[ajl]

That may well be , that’s not the point . UPOV was set up from day one to steal seed growers rights , that’s the thing many never seen coming .
Just saying some seen it as a windfall , never was interested in becoming a seed grower. There are many good seed growers around us already, not enough demand to ever consider the extra work involved. Most have excellent seed farms , some are shit . UPOV was designed to strip seed growers not give them a lottery ticket . That’s the point you may have missed.
There is a reason Cargil ran a pilot project a few years ago with dedicated seed contracts for certified cereal seed treated with the latest and greatest seed treatment for a bazillion dollars/ bus ... they were testing the waters.
I am not for it at all , but just saying it has been coming the day UPOV was brought to the table, they want to bypass the seed grower, which is not right but the writing was on the wall from day one.
Again ... careful for what you wish for .

UPOV was designed to steal farmer's rights, not just the seed growers. Many seed growers thought that UPOV would be their ticket to ride but that just got usurped in a palace coup. Anyways agriculture in canuckistan loses and cedes market share to the competition with this. Moneyed interests around the world know canuckistani's are stupid and they can get the keys to the house from our stupid polititians with a little promise of 'investment in the industry'. Well we just got sold.

[jazz]

So this royalty is applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. Right?

Can you see the solution?

[TOM4CWB]

furrowtickler;

UPOV is the voluntary genetic identification of a variety of seed by the plant breeder/agent/seed co in a signatory country
...UPOV is not required but is the intellectual property seed rights as explained at:https://www.upov.int/overview/en/exceptions.html#

[TOM4CWB]

So this royalty is applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. Right?

Can you see the solution?

Jazz;

No, a royalty is NOT applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. This collection system would require major legislative changes as well as elevator companies have objected to the complexity of needing to identify every variety at the receiving of grain into the elevator.

Therefore

It appears the Seed Companies are going ahead with some seed trailing royalties [in some cases as a pilot program] along with royalty collections on certified seed sales; or

continue collections of a royalty on certified seed sales as has been the situation for some time.

Changes in legislation are not needed to collect royalties using these two methods.

[ajl]

What is needed in an increasingly cut throat export market that we are dependent on here in canuckistan is deregulation in which nobody is allowed to corner the market. A little brown bagging to keep costs down in the system is far preferable to a system of rights and privileges for a select group. However, that is not the canuckistanian way so instead we have factions competing over the spoils all the time while we concede market share to the competition which is the FSU, and South America who are not interested in UPOVing.

[jazz]

Jazz;

No, a royalty is NOT applied point of sale on every bushel delivered at a canadian terminal. This collection system would require major legislative changes as well as elevator companies have objected to the complexity of needing to identify every variety at the receiving of grain into the elevator.

Tom you are way more up on this than I am. I would like to know exactly where the unavoidable squeeze would happen. I don't buy certified seed and I can avoid any trailing royalties by selling in the US which is a 2 hr haul for me. So they would outlaw farm saved seed somehow like canolaÉ How could they monitor that? And wouldn't such a move be grandfathered, so like this year I could seed the entire place to durum and have enough seed on hand before the legislation to finish my farming career.

I guess they could lay some levy out on the chemical which we cant really avoid, sort of like Clearfield varieties did.

Where does it hit?

[blackpowder]

I applied for and was granted a County development permit before the re-build within as close to the previous shop foundation footprint as possible for our proper replacement farm shop foundation rebuild after the 'partial loss' fire damaged our pre-existing farm shop. Our yard level is at grade for 300+ feet... and the Queens gravel is on the County road... and my gravel on the approach with proper ditch slopes finishing drop offs to ditch levels for correct water drainage...

All good. All your business.
If I got the chance for a redo here, it would be well away from the road instead of on it like it is now.
40 years of redo lol. Had I known then what I know now.

[TOM4CWB]

Tom you are way more up on this than I am. I would like to know exactly where the unavoidable squeeze would happen. I don't buy certified seed and I can avoid any trailing royalties by selling in the US which is a 2 hr haul for me. So they would outlaw farm saved seed somehow like canolaÉ How could they monitor that? And wouldn't such a move be grandfathered, so like this year I could seed the entire place to durum and have enough seed on hand before the legislation to finish my farming career.

I guess they could lay some levy out on the chemical which we cant really avoid, sort of like Clearfield varieties did.

Where does it hit?

Jazz,

You can set up a closed loop supply chain system... and as long as the actual genetics of the seed you grow your crops from...

A] originate from purchased pedigreed seed stocks [with all royalties paid] that you can prove with records, is progeny of your future seed being used; comes from these verifiable seed genetic sources you have grown, actually is for yourself, for your own farm's grain production; alone;

B] Is seed from a US variety then grown in Canada... imported possibly as feed wheat [the way this was done previously]... the progeny which is to be used on your farm alone...and the crops produced from this US seed is in a contracted closed loop production system with all of the grain produced returned to the US... possibly you could be operating outside of the NSO seed utopia... while your taxes and previous research funding deductions remain still paying for future seed R&D... with no real benefit to your farm.

Cheers!