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  • bucket
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 17021

    Why???????

    Wasn't the liberal government talking to the hereditary chiefs long before this.....

    Since it was Trudeau's most important relationship to fix since 2016?


    Can anyone explain this....throw in something about climate change as well...sarcasm.

    This shitshow highlights liberal incompetence with inexperienced ministers....led by an idiot. ....
    Last edited by bucket; Feb 14, 2020, 16:51.
  • helmsdale
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2014
    • 2127

    #2
    Originally posted by bucket View Post
    Wasn't the liberal government talking to the hereditary chiefs long before this.....

    Since it was Trudeau's most important relationship to fix since 2016?


    Can anyone explain this....throw in something about climate change as well...sarcasm.
    They did...

    They had 8 of 15 on board, as well as 100% of the elected councils.

    If we need unanimous consent for every project, then theres no point in deluding ourselves. Just shut it all down. Unanimous consent translates to nothing less than extortion!

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    • bucket
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 17021

      #3
      Originally posted by helmsdale View Post
      They did...

      They had 8 of 15 on board, as well as 100% of the elected councils.

      If we need unanimous consent for every project, then theres no point in deluding ourselves. Just shut it all down. Unanimous consent translates to nothing less than extortion!
      It's a veto by the minority....why have elected chiefs or a majority of hereditary chiefs? If a few can dictate it after the fact.....

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      • Horse
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2003
        • 1930

        #4
        Originally posted by bucket View Post
        It's a veto by the minority....why have elected chiefs or a majority of hereditary chiefs? If a few can dictate it after the fact.....
        Why should this be any different than the LGBTQ,or the churches or the immigrants, they all get far above what they deserve by their numbers . If a democracy is majority rules where is our democracy??
        The gov screwed up many yrs ago ,they managed to starve the plains and northern tribes into submission but those on the west coast had fish and told the white man no to their treaty,so they still own the rights to say no.
        I dont think too many of you would like it if the gov just decided to take your land,or the graincos backed out on contracts,
        It is assumed its for the good of the country but its for those working on and in the resource sector. Do you know the moneys paid to some of those workers,and the profits to construction cos. What is being paid for easements and damages where the pipeline goes.
        How many fat english and french are still living on royalties from land and resources granted to them by the crown,That never paid for anything,just claimed it as their own.
        I know most will disagree but I still have a right to my opinion.

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        • 15444
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2000
          • 2112

          #5
          Originally posted by helmsdale View Post
          They did...

          They had 8 of 15 on board, as well as 100% of the elected councils.

          If we need unanimous consent for every project, then theres no point in deluding ourselves. Just shut it all down. Unanimous consent translates to nothing less than extortion!
          According to the Indians protesting, elected councils are just puppets of the Invaders, so their opinion does not matter. Just relaying what has been said on TV and playing the Devil's advocate.

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          • jazz
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2018
            • 9308

            #6
            Originally posted by Horse View Post
            I know most will disagree but I still have a right to my opinion.
            The settlers and pioneers of the time had little to do with govt policy. They were told there was available land in a new country and that's about it. They had no say in treaties or negotiations with Indians. Everyone who was involved at that time including the natives of the time are long dead.

            There is a ton of land in this country and there is certainly no reason why reserves cant be tripled in size and given municipal type governance and remove the govt from the equation. I am all for that. Trudeau flushed $125B down a hole. I am sure that the people would have supported using that money for a land settlement.

            But giving back all the land with 38M people on it is impossible now and its only going to get worse as they become a smaller chunk of the population. So is blind consulting or giving people a veto who have no concept of democracy, nor is having a country within a country. That's a recipe for break up.

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            • TASFarms
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2014
              • 1339

              #7
              Last time I checked the Crown rules.

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              • Oliver88
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 4688

                #8
                Trudeau appointed a Liberal female RCMP commissioner because it was 2016.

                How is she doing?

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                • 15444
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2000
                  • 2112

                  #9
                  Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
                  Last time I checked the Crown rules.
                  That is what the Invaders said in the beginning.

                  I think the Indian response at the time was, "Well then prepare for some scalpin'".

                  In all seriousness, I will be greatly amused if they try to do anything with the protests on the Mohawk land.

                  Rail line goes through Reserves here and nothing happens without the ok of the Band and OPP don't step foot period, Treaty cops only. I know if a murder occurs on the reserve, OPP has to be requested by Band and Treaty cops in order to gain access and even then they go in heavily armed. No shortage of people in the reserves who would be keen to pop off an 'Invader'.

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                  • Horse
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 1930

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                    Trudeau appointed a Liberal female RCMP commissioner because it was 2016.

                    How is she doing?
                    Gay female ,in imho not that well.

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