Dont Call It Global Warming

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Darn, doesn't work. Here is the site. https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/climate-change/global-warming/average-global-temperature

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

[tmyrfield]

You guys going to answer this or just ignore it again and again! LOL

I have asked many times over many months and no one has any example. Just crickets!

Jazz or A5. Name one major scientific organization that says increasing CO2 levels are not causing the greenhouse effect and global warming.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence

[fjlip]

In a response to Jazz, you gave some indication that you have some understanding of Mathematics.

Then you linked to a website which purports to show the global average temperature to 12 significant digits. In your opinion, are 12 sig figs justified given the accuracy and precision of the raw data? Not to mention the spatial distribution of that data.

I realize that the website would be very boring to look at if it only contained the justifiable significant digits, since it would only change a couple of times every 100,000 years or so as we come in and out of ice ages. It make a much more effective visual for brainwashing children when it has enough digits to be constantly changing like a population counter.

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Went back and thought about the 12 decimal places, EXCELLENT of you! Doctor the facts/stats/charts/decimal points is NOT proof of anything but SCAM!

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

[tweety]

The point I was trying to make was that the site was anything but scientific. It is aimed at a very low education crowd. This is what passes for evidence on the other side. Yet no source we could provide is reliable enough to satisfy the true believers.

It is easy to imagine the emotional response that site would have on Greta (or Chuck), actually watching the temperature go up right before her very eyes. With no concept of how meaningless the figures are.

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Would be a pretty boring website if it only update once every 3 months just so you could see less decimals. PS, a decimal is a portion of an integer. You can actually have more then 12.

Climate is a 30 year average of weather readings. Weather is the temperature today. Still don't get it?

You can sc**** real time data from NOAA, average with last 30 years, display it real time as counting up or down. If you're not using an Abacus, 12 digits is possible (Can't believe this discussion)

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You could put as many digits to the right of the decimal as you like. That doesn't change the fact that there are conventions and rules in science and math, to ensure that the answer doesn't indicate more ( or less) precision than the original data justifies. In this case, the two digits to the left of the decimal are justified. The rest just indicate that this site has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with causing an emotional response in low information readers. And it only gets worse from there if you keep reading the website. Apparently we are headed for a food crisis in 29 years and counting. The rest is not even worth the time to discredit.

[jazz]

You could put as many digits to the right of the decimal as you like. That doesn't change the fact that there are conventions and rules in science and math, to ensure that the answer doesn't indicate more ( or less) precision than the original data justifies. In this case, the two digits to the left of the decimal are justified. The rest just indicate that this site has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with causing an emotional response in low information readers. And it only gets worse from there if you keep reading the website. Apparently we are headed for a food crisis in 29 years and counting. The rest is not even worth the time to discredit.

The illusion of precision and accuracy to the uneducated meant to instill fear and panic when the real models have single digit errors in the near term and probably double digit in the longer term.

I got to hand it to the UN, they picked the perfect scam in all of history and sold it to the drooling masses.

The world is ending and only communism can save it, so give all your rights and freedoms over so they can save you from frying.

[furrowtickler]

Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics....

The article referred to by CC has a chart showing that in 2002 there were at least 120 frost free days.
Well we had 99 frost free days here in 2002. Saskatoon area. Lesson is have your farm close to Circle Drive. Less frost there.
2004: Chart says over 130 frost free days. Our wheat was all feed. Went anywhere from 17-35. Flax, entire crop snowed under. Canola 13-24. Some burnt in the spring. 122 frost free days.
Shrug.....Poor farmers I guess

Agree , this WP article is garbage in garbage out.
Longer growing season ??? How many millions on acres not harvested from north of Peace River all the way down into the Mid west States?
Second year in a row early frosts have caused significant damage to a big area in Western Canada .
How many billions of dollars of quality downgrades this year in Western Canada due to early frosts and crops that never matured due to lack of heat units ??? It’s a huge number barely even talked about . But the notion of longer growing seasons due to global warming keeps making headlines .... even in political rags like the WP .
The past two harvests , out in the real world tell a dramatically different story and it’s undeniable.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Agree , this WP article is garbage in garbage out.
Longer growing season ??? How many millions on acres not harvested from north of Peace River all the way down into the Mid west States?
Second year in a row early frosts have caused significant damage to a big area in Western Canada .
How many billions of dollars of quality downgrades this year in Western Canada due to early frosts and crops that never matured due to lack of heat units ??? It’s a huge number barely even talked about . But the notion of longer growing seasons due to global warming keeps making headlines .... even in political rags like the WP .
The past two harvests , out in the real world tell a dramatically different story and it’s undeniable.

And according to Tweety's logic, since one days temperature and one station on Antarctica is enough information to predict the next 30 years of climate for the world, your 2 years of nasty falls ( 5 years in a row here), across all of Western Canada, and many parts of the US, is such a harnbinger of doom that we might as well just give up on farming altogether.

[jazz]

These guys used NOAAs and NASAs own data and methodolgy and found that for the past 5 years, the earth has been cooling rapidly. That sure would explain the harvests.