Flu

[wd9]

It's a little fishy as the Pfizer one is saying this is the data from the seriously flawed French study. Hard to know what is exactly going on, for me anyway. Always important to go to the original release, not a paraphrase of the release with a hope for the masses undertone.

https://pfe-pfizercom-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/news/ZithroComboStatement.pdf https://pfe-pfizercom-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/news/ZithroComboStatement.pdf

The UK and lots of beds, Jazz. Not sure if you were aware but the NICE committee has reviewed and changed the requirements on who goes into that bed in the first place. Only those that have good changes of survival will even go in the bed in the first place, so yes, they would have enough then. You have cancer and covid or diabetes and covid, you go to another ward to basically die. An unprecedented change and speed of a committee that usually takes a year or more to make such a change. Appreciate if anyone could confirm or deny with reference, but its dire times.

More hospitals will be taking these steps as the toll on medical staff mounts. one question no one is asking, you can make all the ventilators you want, but the staff load/tubing sets/drugs/disposables is high on a single ARDS/sepsis ventilated patient - usually 3 per. Factories don't make doctors, icu nurses, and RT's. Throw in a serious shortage of PPE for them and the numbers look really bad.

Hospitals sort of rarely have to deal with isolated patients, sometimes one or two. The PPE load is very high in an isolated room/bed. If all of a sudden your are faced with 100x the PPE requirement, no hospital can deal with that quickly. Which is why for every country its important not to overwhelm the medical system

Probably shouldn't have even mentioned this, just adding to the stress for some, apologize for that.

Edit: Jeezus, just looked at US daily cases, 3:00 in the afternoon and already 15,000.

[jazz]

Well that's weird, some union group hoarding 39m face masks and Trump found another 4,000 ventilators for NYC that they are keeping in storage, say the dont need them for 21 days yet.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1243621561455828992

https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/left-wing-labor-union-seiu-found-hoarding-39-million-face-masks/ Left-Wing Labor Union SEIU Found Hoarding 39 Million Face Masks

Service Employees International Union United Healthcare Workers West announced Thursday that it located 39 million N95 masks and will make them available to state and local governments and health care systems that are fighting the novel coronavirus outbreak.
The union found a distributor with the masks, which are cleared for surgical use, after pleas from health care workers as new coronavirus cases surge across the state and the country as a whole.
Union officials said they also found a supplier that can produce some 20 million protective masks per week and another that can supply millions of protective face shields.

[malleefarmer]

Odd scary cases popping up now. A fit healthy think 42 yr old fitness guy runs gymnetc etc no other health complications was dead two days after positive I’d to cv.

Getting a worry

Always thought this was serious but not quite like this

Had t9 go with my 89 yr old mother to doctor always do, she’s got a condition called giant cell arteritis any way mentioned to doc about cv his comment was anyone who stills says this is no worse than common flu well I hope they get it to test the theory, his tongue was in his cheek and he said that.

He to though5 from day one this is a terrible outbreak.

Sadly a USA will become epicentre hopefully doesn’t affect you guys north of the border to much.

[furrowtickler]

Odd scary cases popping up now. A fit healthy think 42 yr old fitness guy runs gymnetc etc no other health complications was dead two days after positive I’d to cv.

Getting a worry

Always thought this was serious but not quite like this

Had t9 go with my 89 yr old mother to doctor always do, she’s got a condition called giant cell arteritis any way mentioned to doc about cv his comment was anyone who stills says this is no worse than common flu well I hope they get it to test the theory, his tongue was in his cheek and he said that.

He to though5 from day one this is a terrible outbreak.

Sadly a USA will become epicentre hopefully doesn’t affect you guys north of the border to much.

Most positive cases, so far , are under 45 in Sask compared to over 65
Hard to make judgement yet here on what may or not happen , we are just getting started here.

[wd9]

Well that's weird, some union group hoarding 39m face masks and Trump found another 4,000 ventilators for NYC that they are keeping in storage, say the dont need them for 21 days yet.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1243621561455828992

https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/left-wing-labor-union-seiu-found-hoarding-39-million-face-masks/ Left-Wing Labor Union SEIU Found Hoarding 39 Million Face Masks

Service Employees International Union United Healthcare Workers West announced Thursday that it located 39 million N95 masks and will make them available to state and local governments and health care systems that are fighting the novel coronavirus outbreak.
The union found a distributor with the masks, which are cleared for surgical use, after pleas from health care workers as new coronavirus cases surge across the state and the country as a whole.
Union officials said they also found a supplier that can produce some 20 million protective masks per week and another that can supply millions of protective face shields.

The whole quote:

Question: "Were there ventilators found in a storage facility or something, that the President is claiming there were ventilators found, that they need to be distributed, is there any truth to that?"

Gov. Andrew Cuomo: "That is incorrect and grossly uninformed."

Where are they going to get the trained med staff to run 30,000 ventilators on ARDS patients?

[TOM4CWB]

The whole quote:

Question: "Were there ventilators found in a storage facility or something, that the President is claiming there were ventilators found, that they need to be distributed, is there any truth to that?"

Gov. Andrew Cuomo: "That is incorrect and grossly uninformed."

Where are they going to get the trained med staff to run 30,000 ventilators on ARDS patients?

WD9 NYGovernor Cuomo admitted that he in fact has the 30000 ventilators and they are in his storage inventory... waiting till he needs them...

Ebola therapies are working well and french studies as well as US doctors are very impressed with combo treatments being very effective on all Corv-19 patients receiving them for respiratory distress... nearly all come off ventilators after 3 days of taking these drug treatments... being reported yesterday. Wonderful news! As Jazz said "the rate of cure was highest in people who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin." Apparently this treatment given to health care workers reduces Corvi-19 infectious period and reduces recovery time. Abott has a new 15minute Corvi-19 tester that is just approved and will start coming on line next week.

[jazz]

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[fjlip]

seeing furrows post positive tests are 1.4% of all tests. Has anyone heard or seen WHAT the 98.6% negative tested, with corona like symptoms are actually sick with? Why were they tested?

[agstar77]

Mortality rate may be related to the treatment you get and your pre existing conditions. If you need a ventilator and cant get it you are dead.

[tweety]

[ATTACH]5812[/ATTACH].

Jazz, you missed that article was written Feb 28 when the US had 14 cases. I guess they were right, no problems in the US, just the flu. Keep posting cryptic misleading posts because conspiracy, paranoia, and bad information are the favorite meal of our society. Gwyneth Paltrow has made a fortune out of it, maybe you can too.

Tom, HCQ treatments are anecdotal. Won't know for months and many blind trials if it actually helps. There are just as many studies showing it doesn't help, that risks are high. Promise isn't the same as proof. Over 300 drugs on the "list" being tested. I really hope they find something that works to ease the suffering.

This virus pain will go on for months. I would like to know Jazz, why go out of your way to post this kind of stuff? What is in it for you? And for god sakes, read the sentence before the one highlighted.

[jazz]

Jazz, you missed that article was written Feb 28 when the US had 14 cases. I guess they were right, no problems in the US, just the flu. Keep posting cryptic misleading posts because conspiracy, paranoia, and bad information are the favorite meal of our society. Gwyneth Paltrow has made a fortune out of it, maybe you can too.

That's Fauccis own article. If its changed since, then it should be peer reviewed and refuted and he should issue a retraction. Isn't that how science works?

This virus pain will go on for months. I would like to know Jazz, why go out of your way to post this kind of stuff? What is in it for you?

Just the truth, its a logical leap from climate change hysteria to pandemic hysteria and need to be called out.

Are you willing to give up all your freedoms and bow to govt experts for this?

[tweety]

That's Fauccis own article. If its changed since, then it should be peer reviewed and refuted and he should issue a retraction. Isn't that how science works?

Then explain the sentence before the highlighted.

[wd9]

Then explain the sentence before the highlighted.

Agreed, had to find the whole article and READ the whole article. And the date. You almost tricked me Jazz. Almost.

Why are you trying to trick us?

[tweety]

Chicken shit won't answer. Throws a grenade and runs.

[agstar77]

Sad way to measure effectiveness of control measures is the Mortality rate. U.S. has 10 X Canada population but almost 40X the death rate. The infection rate can vary but deaths are the final statistic.