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[chuckChuck]

You are obviously don't know much and again provided no numbers to back up your arguments. Just more BS!

The cost of windpower and solar power have both dropped dramatically in the last few years. So any suggestion that if they would have been economical they would have been used decades ago is just plain nonsense.

They are getting used now because they are economical.

From Bloomberg
https://about.bnef.com/new-energy-outlook/

"4. Wind and solar are now cheapest across more than two-thirds of the world. By 2030 they undercut commissioned coal and gas almost everywhere."

From the International Energy Agency:
https://www.iea.org/fuels-and-technologies/renewables

"Renewables have grown rapidly in recent years, driven by sharp cost reductions for solar photovoltaics and wind power in particular. The electricity sector remains the brightest spot for renewables with the exponential growth of solar photovoltaics and wind in recent years, building on the already significant contribution of hydropower generation."

https://www.iea.org/reports/renewables-2019

[AlbertaFarmer5]

That is great news Chuck. Already cheaper across 2/3s of the world. So you must have unlimited examples of how that has translated into lower costs for the end users?

[chuckChuck]

I see you have backed away from your claim that they have raised prices everywhere! LOL

Ask Saskpower for their costs of adding new gas, wind, solar, importing hydro from Manitoba, CCS for coal and then we will discuss the results.

You can also ask Bloomberg and the IEA for their numbers.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Still true everywhere. Until you can show an exception. I'm not holding my breath.

[pgluca]

chuckChuck you are living in a dream world if you think prices aren't going to increase. First you need nearly 100% backup for solar and wind installations because if you get a arctic high over the prairies and it is dark you have nothing but conventional. Your power bill is 66% infrastructure and other costs and 33% power, those cost are already there. Then you add very expensive turbines, connecting heavy underground lines, and upgraded and new transmission towers. Then you guarantee those companies a return on investment. Then you pay small producers at the same power rate for their intermittent power as for power from the grid. You have the added expense of integrating all this into the grid......you get the picture??

[sumdumguy]

Friends in Regina took the bait and invested in solar power, $25,000 + , used when they aren’t in Mesa or flying back and forth. Well, yesterday I was in their house, the floors, table, whole house very uncomfortably cold. Guess 6 hours of sun in three days does that. 🐖💨 My house is toasty with gas fireplace augmenting gas furnace. 👍

[chuckChuck]

Friends in Regina took the bait and invested in solar power, $25,000 + , used when they aren’t in Mesa or flying back and forth. Well, yesterday I was in their house, the floors, table, whole house very uncomfortably cold. Guess 6 hours of sun in three days does that. 🐖💨 My house is toasty with gas fireplace augmenting gas furnace. 👍

Huh? What heat source do they use? Maybe they turned the temperature down? When you are away for long periods there is no need to have the temperarure set at 20C!

[Guest]

chuckChuck you are living in a dream world if you think prices aren't going to increase. First you need nearly 100% backup for solar and wind installations because if you get a arctic high over the prairies and it is dark you have nothing but conventional. Your power bill is 66% infrastructure and other costs and 33% power, those cost are already there. Then you add very expensive turbines, connecting heavy underground lines, and upgraded and new transmission towers. Then you guarantee those companies a return on investment. Then you pay small producers at the same power rate for their intermittent power as for power from the grid. You have the added expense of integrating all this into the grid......you get the picture??

Now , now , musnt enter facts into a fairy tale story
They probably have their place but it sure as **** isnt in this deep freeze
For guys like mallee it might work great

[chuckChuck]

Still true everywhere. Until you can show an exception. I'm not holding my breath.

Still true everywhere! Hahaha. You made the original claim you prove it!

I never said that renewables won’t add some costs in some jurisdictions but not all. Bloomberg and the IEA have said solar and wind generation costs are coming down and are cheaper than many fossil sources. Storage is still expensive but that will also come down.

Are the IEA and Bloomberg wrong? There forecasts clearly show large investments in wind and solar. Sask power is also investing. Why?

[jazz]

Wait until the natives get a million dollar repair bill for that turbine. They will be back on the SP grid in no time and probably convert it to a 5G tower.

Wind and solar aint going to compete with natural gas, nuclear and free hydro. Sask only going after wind just to get some fed green cash. They know that other sources of energy will cannibalize wind and solar just like nat gas did to my geothermal boondoggle.

Good thing chuck is just some ignorant internet troll. There are guys like him who are govt advisors like that fool Butts.

[Guest]

again , WHY IN **** DOESNT WIND AND SOLAR HAVE TO SHOW CLEAN UP COSTS for spent solar panels and decommisioned wind towers, like nuclear ??????????? WHY THE FREE RIDE ??????????????

[chuckChuck]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/productline/power-generation/how-india-in-a-short-period-of-time-has-become-the-cheapest-producer-of-solar-power/articleshow/70325301.cms?from=mdr

How India in a short period of time has become the cheapest producer of solar power

India’s solar story through its compelling business case is maximizing the falling renewable technology costs as the key to future energy decarbonisation. The country has realised that it is cheaper to build and operate solar farms than to run existing coal-fired power plants. Renewable energy also has significant environment benefits making it the single biggest driver to help us meet our carbon emission reduction targets in our fight against climate change. With India being a growing economy, ..

[jazz]

Green boondoggles are everywhere. How will the price go down when the projects go over budget by 200% and there is no consumer who can afford the bills.

Now you know why the Premier of NF was in grovelling at skippys feet. Another green bailout on its way.

https://outline.com/9Sn9qw Muskrat Falls fiasco a case study in risks and follies that lurk within green energy


The year 2020 will contain at least one totally predictable event: The beginning of the national financial unravelling of Muskrat Falls, one of the greatest energy follies in the history of the country.
The publicly announced cost figure for Newfoundland and Labrador’s Muskrat Falls green hydropower mega boondoggle is now $12.7 billion, double the original project estimate of $6.2 billion. The good news is that Nalcor, the provincial Crown corporation behind the project, says it is on track to begin delivering power — four years behind schedule — through the 1,100-kilometre power line from northern Labrador to Newfoundland in early 2020. The bad news is that there is no real market for the electricity, which means that Newfoundland taxpayers and electricity consumers are staring into a $12.7-billion financial crisis.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/15/business/china-solar-electricity-scli-intl/index.html

Solar power is now cheaper than the grid in hundreds of Chinese cities

London (CNN Business)Solar energy in hundreds of Chinese cities is now cheaper than electricity supplied by the national grid, and it can even compete with coal-fired power in 75 of them, a new study has found.
Some 344 Chinese cities were found to have solar systems producing energy at lower prices than the grid, without any subsidies, according to the research published in the journal Nature Energy. That could encourage further investment in renewable energy, according to the authors.
China has made huge progress in developing solar projects and pledged to invest 2.5 trillion yuan ($367 billion) in renewable power generation — solar, wind, hydro and nuclear — from 2017-2020.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Now , now , musnt enter facts into a fairy tale story
They probably have their place but it sure as **** isnt in this deep freeze
For guys like mallee it might work great

Might being the key word. The blackouts, the disastrously higher energy prices, the lawsuits all indicate that it isn't working in Australia either.
Glad I chose not to hold my breath while Chuck continues to search in vain for any place enjoying cheaper energy thanks to wind and solar

Speaking of which, why would they turn the thermostat down to conserve energy, if the energy is free from the sun? Where is the economic or environmental benefit to that?