Chuck, some good news about renewables. No, really.

[chuckChuck]

Out of the $700 million how much is from the govt?

Not sure on that. But governments also spend a lot on the oil and gas industry. Far more in total than is spent on renewable electricity.

Governments also subsidize agriculture and farmers. But you don't want to talk about that do you? LOL

[farming101]

Not sure on that. But governments also spend a lot on the oil and gas industry. Far more in total than is spent on renewable electricity.

Governments also subsidize agriculture and farmers. But you don't want to talk about that do you? LOL

No fuel=no industry
No food=no people

[chuckChuck]

The interesting difference is the smart phone is a small hand held computer with far more capacity than the personal computers that existed in 1988, truly a technological advancement. Solar panels existed in 1988 and really haven’t changed that much since 1988 except that they are now made in China and therefore are far less expensive. They still aren’t recyclable, they still take many acres of space to generate electricity and to say they are a technological advancement is really wrong. Still intermittent, still only make cents with government subsidy!

They are a lot cheaper and more efficient now and are still dropping in price. At the utility scale, solar and wind are producing some of the lowest cost electricity in the world now without subsidies. The fuel is free and clean. And panels will be recycled.

They could be put on roofs in many areas of the world.

From Bloomberg

Building New Renewables Is Cheaper Than Burning Fossil Fuels
By Will Mathis
June 23, 2021, 5:31 a.m. CST Updated on June 23, 2021, 7:05 a.m. CST

It’s now cheaper to build and operate new large-scale wind or solar plants in nearly half the world than it would be to run an existing coal or gas-fired power plant.

That’s the latest analysis from BloombergNEF, which sees that even with the risk of rising commodity prices, a new solar park or wind farm is still competitive with existing coal or gas plants in countries that represent 46% of the world’s population.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/building-new-renewables-cheaper-than-running-fossil-fuel-plants https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/building-new-renewables-cheaper-than-running-fossil-fuel-plants

[Hamloc]

They are a lot cheaper and more efficient now and are still dropping in price. At the utility scale, solar and wind are producing some of the lowest cost electricity in the world now without subsidies. The fuel is free and clean. And panels will be recycled.

They could be put on roofs in many areas of the world.

From Bloomberg

Building New Renewables Is Cheaper Than Burning Fossil Fuels
By Will Mathis
June 23, 2021, 5:31 a.m. CST Updated on June 23, 2021, 7:05 a.m. CST

It’s now cheaper to build and operate new large-scale wind or solar plants in nearly half the world than it would be to run an existing coal or gas-fired power plant.

That’s the latest analysis from BloombergNEF, which sees that even with the risk of rising commodity prices, a new solar park or wind farm is still competitive with existing coal or gas plants in countries that represent 46% of the world’s population.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/building-new-renewables-cheaper-than-running-fossil-fuel-plants https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-23/building-new-renewables-cheaper-than-running-fossil-fuel-plants

Farmers are really the greatest harvesters of the sun whether it be in beef or pork or grain, we take what the sun gives us and it is harvested and stored to be consumed when necessary and our federal government with its carbon tax policies aim to make Canadian farmers uncompetitive with the rest of the world. This same government is going to spend billions more subsidizing Chinese solar panels and putting more Canadians in the energy industry on the unemployment line!!!

[burnt]

Farmers are really the greatest harvesters of the sun whether it be in beef or pork or grain, we take what the sun gives us and it is harvested and stored to be consumed when necessary and our federal government with its carbon tax policies aim to make Canadian farmers uncompetitive with the rest of the world. This same government is going to spend billions more subsidizing Chinese solar panels and putting more Canadians in the energy industry on the unemployment line!!!

So in real terms, a carbon tax is a tax on harvesting sunshine. Fresh or stored.

Carbon tax on meat - coming soon to a store near you.


Dang, I wish I'da thought of that and patented it. Endless, guaranteed revenue.

[chuckChuck]

Farmers are really the greatest harvesters of the sun whether it be in beef or pork or grain, we take what the sun gives us and it is harvested and stored to be consumed when necessary and our federal government with its carbon tax policies aim to make Canadian farmers uncompetitive with the rest of the world. This same government is going to spend billions more subsidizing Chinese solar panels and putting more Canadians in the energy industry on the unemployment line!!!

Conservative talking notes....blah blah blah. But lets keep subsidizing oil and gas and leave the mess for taxpayers to clean up? LOL

I collect solar energy all year long when the sun is shining which covers my average annual farm usage and its all carbon tax free.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Do you really think utilities would go all intermittent sources without adequate storage and leave consumers in the dark? LOL.

Yes, they according to recent experiences with blackouts in Texas, California, Australia, UK, Germany etc, they most definitely did go to too much intermittents without adequate storage.

Do you do any research at all before posting such rubbish?

[burnt]

Yes, they according to recent experiences with blackouts in Texas, California, Australia, UK, Germany etc, they most definitely did go to too much intermittents without adequate storage.

Do you do any research at all before posting such rubbish?

It appears to have been a rhetorical question?

Just surprised at the self-own.

[tweety]

Travers solar project, 3300 acres of land, just over 7 acres per megawatt. Power 100000 homes? Hmmm Amazon is buying most of the power. How many acres will it take to dispose of the solar panels in 25 years?

Maybe they can pile them on the abandoned lease land companies aren't paying rent for.

And how is the Alberta Oil and Gas doing?

The real problem, Boychuk said, is that Alberta's aging and depleted conventional oilpatch isn't profitable in today's energy market.

"This industry can't repay its mortgage. If the people operating this stuff don't have the resources to clean it up, they shouldn't be operating it."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/abandoned-wells-oil-gas-alberta-cost-report-1.6033830 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/abandoned-wells-oil-gas-alberta-cost-report-1.6033830

But hey giving billions in subsidies to the oil industry - no problem.

Our lifestyle isn't sustainable, that is the problem.

[Sheepwheat]

Cbc news . Alt left, all the time.