Keystone pipeline leak

[furrowtickler]

It was an interesting reference on two fronts. First it debunks the theory that the mainstream media use bigger numbers to inflame outrage and discredit only "right wing" causes. See they used pounds here when they could have used tons and made the problem seem so much smaller.

Interesting too that you used the original story rather than the updated one from a month later when they corrected the math error that had led them to overestimate the amount of garbage substantially. Instead of 48 million pounds they corrected it to 21 million pounds.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/19/garbage-haul-at-dakota-access-camps-revised-downwa/ http://https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/19/garbage-haul-at-dakota-access-camps-revised-downwa/

Oh well that makes it better lol .. point is the very people that squawk the loudest like protesters are being lead around like sheep and don’t really care .... as long as they get paid to protest and someone else pays to clean up their mess .

[TSIPP]

WTF I didn’t like the last grass post, I really didn’t!

[fjlip]

Crude is actually natural to the enviroment, it oozes everywhere and not nice stuff it does break down naturally.

RIGHT, and left wing nut protestors, jobless, welfare ASS HOLES are Not natural, just naturally pieces of SHIT!

21 million pounds = 9528 TONNES, 9.528 MEGA TONNES like your C02 emergency figures, happy now??

[seldomseen]

I know nothing of oil spills but what I do know is my Dad dumped used engine oil in the same spot behind our shop for about 40 years. That spot was covered with brush and brome grass and the vegetation was greener and lusher in that spot than most of the surrounding area. After I stopped doing that for the last 25 or so years you can’t tell that spot from any other spot. As far as chems go I rinse my sprayer in a spot behind the yard that is kind of low and mossy and a bit of a swamp and growing brome grass that I keep mowed. That spot looks as healthy and lush as any area in the yard.

[chuckChuck]

The usual suspects downplay pipeline spills.

It is a significant risk especially if the pipeline crosses a river or aquifer used for farms, towns and cities. We saw what happened with Husky and the Saskatchewan river. Keystone is being held up in Nebraska over this issue.

There are thousands of suspended, abandoned and orphaned oil facilities in western canada that are likely sites of significant contamination from oil and saltwater.

Who is going to pay for the cleanup? The cost according to provincial auditors is in the billions of dollars.

Downplay the risk all you want but the fact is the oil companies in many cases are transferring the costs onto taxpayers if they can get away with it. Its another subsidy to the oil industry who often take their money and run.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

... the oil industry who often take their money and run.

And right now, they are taking their money, and their jobs, and their taxes, and royalties, and running to a jurisdiction that isn't openly and blatantly anti-industry. The oil and gas is still being produced and consumed, CO2 still released, environmental impacts still occur, but all the benefits are now being realized by other countries, namely the US. Meanwhile, have you considered who is going to have to fill the revenue hole left behind by the exiting energy companies to fulfil the socialist spending obligations? Do you think energy companies are more likely to pay for clean up if they are still functioning here and profitable, or if they have been forced out of the country?

What industries are left behind, who don't have the option of pulling up stakes and moving south? If you guessed farmers, you would be right.

[jazz]

What industries are left behind, who don't have the option of pulling up stakes and moving south? If you guessed farmers, you would be right.

Land cant move but product can and it can go south and someday it might have to. Grain might be like oil one day. One giant sucking customer to the south then they export it efficiently. That may even be a better deal than what Canada has in store.

$25B in subways and transit in Montreal and Toronto and nothing for rail and highway links.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Land cant move but product can and it can go south and someday it might have to. Grain might be like oil one day. One giant sucking customer to the south then they export it efficiently. That may even be a better deal than what Canada has in store.

$25B in subways and transit in Montreal and Toronto and nothing for rail and highway links.

Yes, the product does, and will continue to flow south, but the tax revenues will increasingly flow east to pay for the socialist policies, and in the absence of a robust energy industry, or forestry or mining, the burden will fall squarely on the immobile farmers left behind.

[grassfarmer]

I know nothing of oil spills but what I do know is my Dad dumped used engine oil in the same spot behind our shop for about 40 years. That spot was covered with brush and brome grass and the vegetation was greener and lusher in that spot than most of the surrounding area. After I stopped doing that for the last 25 or so years you can’t tell that spot from any other spot. As far as chems go I rinse my sprayer in a spot behind the yard that is kind of low and mossy and a bit of a swamp and growing brome grass that I keep mowed. That spot looks as healthy and lush as any area in the yard.

Sounds unlikely. We had a neighbours home made, waste oil filled roller sitting in our bale yard in 2002 when a real hot day burst a weld on the end allowing the oil to drain out. The soil there was essentially straight sand so the oil disappeared but as of 2015 not a blade of grass grew in or near that spot.