So...there you have it...Ag ministers promise no immediate help

[furrowtickler]

If it freezes we’ll be singing a different tune? When I couldn’t seed an acre for multiple years, when my canola went 6 and my canary 4, because of too much rain, my first thought was not even close to, someone help me!!!! Please government, come help meeee!

Nope.

My first thoughts were, “ geez, this ain’t working, I need to do something different.”

So I did. Something different.

That is what I don’t get here. Is it that much of a shock that farming can be hard? I just don’t get it?????

What I don’t get is the assumption the rest of us can’t think for ourselves and make changes .... most of us have .... several times .
Very few actually don’t make changes .... those are the ones that are fading away as we speak . Has happened for 100 years .
What is happening now is out our control regardless of how much you farm or how big the farm is
It complete government ignorance towards all Ag regardless is you raise sheep or crops ..... get it now ??

Don’t be bitter at those that are deemed successful... there have been several farms here fold and fade away ... it’s a business. But it’s the same dirt and weather within an area ... it comes down to management of those resources and a bit of luck along the way .
Some make some don’t , do be bitter at those that do
We all still have to try to raise a family doing whatever it is that works . Could be 500 ac or 25,000 ... everyone runs their own ship some sink some ride er out .

[Sheepwheat]

My God you don’t get it at all. What we spend and contribute we re only asking for part of that back. The parts we lost at every so called advancement to the industry.
You are a very confused person, you can’t make it growing grain crops so we re all supposed to raise sheep??? Lmao
We re trying to find a way so that the risk is leveled out amongst everyone in the industry not just on us.
And you were on here crying about you didnt know what to do and you were gonna quit unless you maybe have dementia or something going on. I have some concerns for those sheep. Lol

I think your envy of those that are more aggressive than you is making you want to justify what your doing with those sheep. And in the process you’d like to see the other industries destroyed and they will be unless we get things changed.

By the way do you go on websites of the grain companies, foreign governments, equipment manufacturers, rail companies, that all involve massive subsidies almost every year to survive and tell them they should do something else?

Chill man, chill. I am only trying to help here. And so far as the things you say about me and my operation, we could maybe private chat about some things to clear the air for you if you want? Because your accusations are riddled with faulty info somehow. It seems there is a pile of misunderstanding.

Sorry for the confusion, bigwheel.

I am not against help for those in need at all. But again I ask, how do we ensure those in actual need get some funds vs sf3s buddy who returned a half million in fungicides?

There is a big difference in how we see need vs. A blanket funding program.

[Sheepwheat]

What I don’t get is the assumption the rest of us can’t think for ourselves and make changes .... most of us have .... several times .
Very few actually don’t make changes .... those are the ones that are fading away as we speak . Has happened for 100 years .
What is happening now is out our control regardless of how much you farm or how big the farm is
It complete government ignorance towards all Ag regardless is you raise sheep or crops ..... get it now ??

Don’t be bitter at those that are deemed successful... there have been several farms here fold and fade away ... it’s a business. But it’s the same dirt and weather within an area ... it comes down to management of those resources and a bit of luck along the way .
Some make some don’t , do be bitter at those that do
We all still have to try to raise a family doing whatever it is that works . Could be 500 ac or 25,000 ... everyone runs their own ship some sink some ride er out .

Yes. In some ways you are right indeed. This idea that I am bitter at those who are successful? Why do ppl think I feel this way? In the past I had troubles with my attitude. I admit i struggled with where I started farming vs. most of my neighbors. There were days where I really fought back my self loathing feelings.

But I have come a long ways. I have conquered my former troubles to a large extent.

Now. How do we help those who truly are struggling vs. those who are not?

[bucket]

Chill man, chill. I am only trying to help here. And so far as the things you say about me and my operation, we could maybe private chat about some things to clear the air for you if you want? Because your accusations are riddled with faulty info somehow. It seems there is a pile of misunderstanding.

Sorry for the confusion, bigwheel.

I am not against help for those in need at all. But again I ask, how do we ensure those in actual need get some funds vs sf3s buddy who returned a half million in fungicides?

There is a big difference in how we see need vs. A blanket funding program.

Chances are if that guy booked 500k in fungicides and didn't use them he is going to be hurting as well...

[farmaholic]

I am not against help for those in need at all. But again I ask, how do we ensure those in actual need get some funds vs sf3s buddy who returned a half million in fungicides?

There is a big difference in how we see need vs. A blanket funding program.

Size is a bit irrelevant, everything is incremental. In fact large operations often enjoy cheaper inputs than those who don't/won't/can't spend enough with a single company to get 25% off their ChemCo inputs.

If I don't need it, I'm not buying it. If it doesn't fit the need of a situation....I'm not buying it. .....just to cash in on a bigger rebate.

But how is it the guy farming 10000 acres is less worthy of a helping hand than the guy farming 2500? I'm talking about disaster relief over and above the suite of risk management already available to everyone and the shortfall in market prices because of POLITICAL interference.

[furrowtickler]

Yes. In some ways you are right indeed. This idea that I am bitter at those who are successful? Why do ppl think I feel this way? In the past I had troubles with my attitude. I admit i struggled with where I started farming vs. most of my neighbors. There were days where I really fought back my self loathing feelings.

But I have come a long ways. I have conquered my former troubles to a large extent.

Now. How do we help those who truly are struggling vs. those who are not?

We have all lost on these current trade issues big time , it in the shitty grain prices .... for all of us.
It’s not wether a person or farm may or may not have money . That’s not the point at all.
Just because a bigger farm than me may seem to be doing fine . We are all getting hit is shit grain prices.
Don’t worry about the guy next door , who cares if they have $100,000 truck .
This is affecting all of us .

[farmaholic]

In the past I had troubles with my attitude. I admit i struggled with where I started farming vs. most of my neighbors. There were days where I really fought back my self loathing feelings.

But I have come a long ways. I have conquered my former troubles to a large extent.

Sheeper, don't take on or blame yourself for things that are out of and beyond your control.

One day at a time. And happiness isn't measured in dollars and cents.
We all came into this world with nothing and we won't take anything with us when we leave either.
The real things that matter can't be bought with money.

[sawfly1]

We have to realize. We are not the only ones hurting right now.

Was with oil guys the other
Night. The subject was how many
Operations , truckers. And vac trucks . Etc. Like a vac truck for 65$/hr. Truckers wearing out trucks for nothing.

And the public perception ,
Rich farmers 90,000$ trailers cabins . Getting govt. Handouts.
That will not fly too good.
With the working guy that can not even write off his car or gas.

And You can not bitch about socialists and in the same thread
Call for ad hoc payments.

[wd9]

Thanks I guess for your concern, it is a serious issue and some need it. But I m certainly not there. Standing up to stupid people that think they are smarter than you or bullshitting their way through an argument I don’t back down from that crap. It’s a major problem within our own industry and the politicians and ag groups use those fools against the rest of us.

It was quite fitting the government release provincially on how to help us farmers through the drought was a few lines about moving the greenfeed deadline back a couple weeks and taking a bigger cash advance and then most of the page was the farm stress line. My reply to you the government is your bullshit response to the situation is why you needed to highlight the farm stress line in the first place.

There’s a few on here also when the September if not August frost comes you’ll be singing a different tune I m sure that’s when reality will hit.

Its a genuine concern, for anyone. I do feel your pain, am hailed out about 90% of all crops but am hoping for frost free till Dec 20 Canola is starting to make buds again.

[checking]

For your fantesy purposes, let's say governments did an ad hoc ag payment. Those that don't require it (net income too high) could be subject to the same clawback provision that exist in the senior citizen class like the non refundable tax credit for age, like OAS, like...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I find it futile to spend like crazy to avoid income tax. The last thing I want is more stuff to put a cover over because the governments sent me an ad hoc ag payment.

If I take anything out of agriville sage, it will be the quote about, "would it not be nice, if it just didn't matter".