Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[TOM4CWB]

Realistically... we all need future seed innovation that works to reduce risk, and provides qualities our enduse/consumers find value in Canadian grain products. 100% of Secan's royalties... as I said earlier... go into plant breeding and the infrastructure to support seed varieties. No royalty money goes into Secan members bank accounts... Secan members only pay into varietal development... passion to provide high quality seed... is the foundation and key to a sustainable commercial grain sector in Canada. We are small by world standards... Dr Dean Spanner said it well... that one province ... in China...he presented to... produces more grain than all of western Canada.

If we do not work together... build on our Canadian strengths of cooperation and build stronger value for our grain sector... we are choosing to be less than our future grain farming generations deserve.
Merry Christmas! Cheers!!

Exactly.

If the seed industry wants a handout or subsidy they should go directly to the guys who have no problem running $20 billion deficits.....not primary producers.

[Rareearth]

We all work together, invest in plant breeding varieties which are quickly exported globally by the CSGA

So they take my money, my investment and then just as quickly as I have access to the variety competitors in other countries with lower costs of production get to compete against my with our cost sensitive customers.

Show me how this investment will be a strategic and competitive advantage for my investment.

Information transfer, freight and logistics have never been cheaper, faster or easier.

Case in point, many of these new varieties are sent to other growing regions around the world for a quicker seed increase, where volume can be generated for wide release.

[grassfarmer]

.......If we do not work together... build on our Canadian strengths of cooperation and build stronger value for our grain sector... we are choosing to be less than our future grain farming generations deserve.
Merry Christmas! Cheers!!

Excuse me while I throw up - all "working together" and "cooperating for a greater good" does not reflect the reality of the current situation. It's a parasitic arrangement at best in much of Canadian agriculture and the parasites are in danger of killing the host. You're just getting too greedy - even if you are only a pimp for Big Seed.

[farmaholic]

Excuse me while I throw up - all "working together" and "cooperating for a greater good" does not reflect the reality of the current situation. It's a parasitic arrangement at best in much of Canadian agriculture and the parasites are in danger of killing the host. You're just getting too greedy - even if you are only a pimp for Big Seed.

Sounds like your buddy Tom4himself is growing seed only out of the goodness of his heart and his charitable work/donation to his fellow farmer.

Ask him if he will sell you some seed at "market" price plus the royalties he normally has to submit.....nothing else in it for him over and above generic market values?

Preying on a Sunday!

[bucket]

Thank you grassfarmer for being so polite. ....

I would have had to censor my post after throwing up...

[macdon02]

Excuse me while I throw up - all "working together" and "cooperating for a greater good" does not reflect the reality of the current situation. It's a parasitic arrangement at best in much of Canadian agriculture and the parasites are in danger of killing the host. You're just getting too greedy - even if you are only a pimp for Big Seed.

I don't see a pile of seed cleaning equipment listed in the RB wish catalogue. The Canadian seed cos aren't dropping like flies either. Pretty sure the big mergers had zero exposure to Canadian cereal/ pulse seed. Oh except for the rup wheat spill... that got swept conveniently under the rug. Well said Grass!

[malleefarmer]

errr can someone explain the situation again in 2 or 3 sentences?

yep we pay 3.30 to 4.40 end point royalty collected and distrubted by buyers here. No one blinks a eye lid.
after about 5 years if you still have your farmer retained seed of that variety is more than likely supersceded and no royalty paid.

and sorry tom as for grain consumer wants etc etc my comment is i think canada and australia are both premium wheat producers quality and specs buyers want BUT BUT they wont buy it they go to ruskies or ukraine were ever and buy cheap wheat and blend a little canadian or oz and babooshka they have what they want.

the world wants cheap food winge and moan thats the fact. So breed higher yielding types without quality specs is the go.

but its self defeating need some sort of market differentiation but not a single desk.

another pet peave been showing interest in agronomy since i was about 16 yeah back when i was a virgin woops sorry farma......i digress.........but every year new beaut variety of wheat out yields previous by 8% rinse repeat next year and so on and so on well i should be growing about a effing 100 bushels by now.

think i got off topic.......

[TOM4CWB]

WD9
If seed [PLANT BREEDERS &]company's DO NOT actually come up with an innovative and truly profitable product, farmers shouldn't buy it[new varieties]... 100% agree. Continue growing what is best... at no increased cost.UPOV/PBR IS IN PLACE NOW. Seed Synergy needs to efficiently provide stock planting seed... the goal needs to be at lower over all cost... than is presently included in overhead costs today. If this is not the outcome... branded seed that avoids high overhead costs... will grow in use on commercial grain farms.
Hence the challenge. What are actual costs today...?? Projected costs in the future???

The risks of various options...?? Rewards??
Many questions to be answered... [that answers have not been established ] on how best future provision of quality planting seed... looking forward that is fair to every one at all levels. Cheers

At least you are honest, you want to make more money for yourself.

If the seed company's actually came up with an innovative and truly profitable product, farmers would buy it. You have all the legislation in place to ensure you receive return on your investment thru PBR, EULA's, UPOV - ever heard of HT canola? But wheat hasn't changed much in 30 years, so instead you just want to extort money from farmers so you can use their money to innovate instead of investing your own.

[TOM4CWB]

Maiiee,
If western Canadian grain farmers on cereals; paid 3.30 to $4.40 [per tonne I assume] end point royalty... there would be equal distribution of R&D costs on variety development.
Grain buyers ... say... they refuse to collect an end point royalty on cereal grains .
Hense.. the debate. About 70% of cereal seed planted pays zero royalty/levy in western Canada. No endpoint funding back to plant breeders... by variety. Now even WGRF funding stopped as well.[not deducted any longer]
fair distribution on variety R&D costs... needs to happen to remain competitive into the future.

errr can someone explain the situation again in 2 or 3 sentences?

yep we pay 3.30 to 4.40 end point royalty collected and distrubted by buyers here. No one blinks a eye lid.
after about 5 years if you still have your farmer retained seed of that variety is more than likely supersceded and no royalty paid.

and sorry tom as for grain consumer wants etc etc my comment is i think canada and australia are both premium wheat producers quality and specs buyers want BUT BUT they wont buy it they go to ruskies or ukraine were ever and buy cheap wheat and blend a little canadian or oz and babooshka they have what they want.

the world wants cheap food winge and moan thats the fact. So breed higher yielding types without quality specs is the go.

but its self defeating need some sort of market differentiation but not a single desk.

another pet peave been showing interest in agronomy since i was about 16 yeah back when i was a virgin woops sorry farma......i digress.........but every year new beaut variety of wheat out yields previous by 8% rinse repeat next year and so on and so on well i should be growing about a effing 100 bushels by now.

think i got off topic.......[ATTACH]3718[/ATTACH]

[malleefarmer]

A dumb comment from me but you guys are used to it, so cargills glencore ld adm ridley agriproducts cofco etc etc all the internationals collect the levy in australia but refuse to in canada whats the go??

Weve had epr since i think mid 90s.

• In South Australia,
Grain Industry Research and Development Fund: (opt out available)
 30 cents per tonne from the proceeds of the first sale of all grain.
Grain Industry Fund: (opt out available)

Despite the introduction of EPRs to supplement private breeding programs, growers of over 25 leviable crops are still required to pay an R&D levy. Presently, the R&D levy paid by growers is calculated as 1.02% of the farm gate value of the crop. Levies are collected through the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry – Levies Unit which can be found at http://www.agriculture.gov.au/ag-farm-food/levies/rates

A portion of this levy is allocated to the Grains Research and Development Corporation and is used for a number of important services to support the grains industry, including;

Crop Classification
R&D capacity building
Pre-breeding activities
New farm practices
New varieties (excluding mainstream wheat breeding)
Other GRDC activities, including the National Variety Trials (NVT) system

Plus epr as mentioned above

So epr say $4
GIRDF 30 cents per tonne but opt out avaiballe
Then GRDC @ 1.02% at $390 per tonne wheat another $3.98

So on $390 wheat sale today i pay $8.28 per tonne all collected and distributed by buyers and is on sale documentation.

Am i gleaning its gonna be way more in western canada?