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[walterm]

Add increases in the cost of hauling grain to list of cost increases for 2019. I do agree that some more stringent standards should be met here with truck licenses but as the Ontario experience shows bureaucrats will not stop once they start on this road. My operation struggles to survive and there is no way I can afford the Ontario costs. Just glad for new terminals close by where I can still haul with a tandem.

I've been in an elevator when a tandem pulls up? They curse and swear call them Tonka trucks. Don't want to waste time on them.

[helmsdale]

Government mandated training... Where does one draw the line?

If you get your class 1 in the summertime have you done any training on ice? Driving in snow with covered over tail lights, soaking wet heated mirrors? Ice fog with hardly any visibility out your front window? Or if you get your class 1 in saskatchewan, should be able to drive in BC without any mountain training? Or decend or climb a river hill without any river training? Or board a ferry without any ferry training? Or Drive in a city without urban training? Or pull super B's or A and C trains without any Super, A, and C training? Or if you train in a kenworth, with an overslung clutch, should you be able to drive a peterbilt without underslung clutch training? Or if you train in a 9 or 10 speed should you be able to drive in a 13,15, or 18, or 5 and 4 without additional training?(We've already gone automatic vs. manual transmission license) Should you require additional training if you're pulling fluids? decks? flammables? animals? vans? reefers? Equipment? Or, if you trained in a truck with a C7 cat, should you require additional training to run a C15, an ISX, Detroit, or Volvo? If you trained in a daycab with a rear window should you require additional training to run with a bunk and no rear window? Should you require additional training in the use of chains before being allowed to operate in muddy, or icy/snowy conditions? Should you be able to park in a truck stop without additional close quarters training?
Maybe we should though? I mean, it could prevent the death or injury of one person, and what if that person was a family member or close friend of yours? If the argument in favor of government legislation is always, "it's worth it if we prevent the death/injury of one person", where will regulation stop? The leviathan can't help itself, and we can't help but cheer them on.

I could go on... And perhaps I should...

What about the real lack of enforcement of the rules that are already in place. What the hell are some of these goons and their garbage equipment doing on the road in the first place? Where are the traffic enforcement officials? You can drive from the BC border to Winnipeg and back quite often without being stopped once, or even asked to report for a weigh in let alone a paperwork check. You can drag 150,000+ lb loads on super B's from central saskatchewan to alberta feedlots at will! You can treat your paper log like it's little more than ass-wipe. You can run full loads down saskatchewan spring weighted roads with impunity.

On another front, is the shipper that hired the fly by night operation that was hauling the peat moss suffering any consequences? Maybe they should? Hell if we're going to pass a shitswack of additional rules, perhaps we could solve a whole lot of the problem by simply stating the shipper is liable while the carrier is in transit. Did they pass up 2,3, or 15 bids at a higher rate to go with the lowest cost company to ship their goods? What is the reason for the bidder's bargain basement pricing? Are they skirting the Hours of Service rules to undercut the competition? Are they skimping on maintenance to undercut the competition? Do they cut corners on load securement to get the job done quicker so as to undercut the competition?

Take the case of us as farmers... We'd sure think differently, about who pulled underneath our auger, or pulled bales out of our field, etc... Should we?

[15444]

Could I get some clarification on those costs??
$15k to register a tandem??
$30k for liability??
Are those actual commercial costs today? Farm costs?

Tandem gravel truck in commercial setting from the local guy, friend, that does a lot of the contract work around here, including me. 15k for plate sticker each year. 30k for liability, less if you keep your coverage low, but if you have a driver that kills someone, 1 mill means **** all. All the vehicle costs went apeshit in this province under 15 years of Liberals.

Add in his semi for lowbedding and belly dump and the costs are even higher.

Farm costs would be less but not by much. 1/2 at best for the sticker.

[LEP]

Government mandated training... Where does one draw the line?

If you get your class 1 in the summertime have you done any training on ice? Driving in snow with covered over tail lights, soaking wet heated mirrors? Ice fog with hardly any visibility out your front window? Or if you get your class 1 in saskatchewan, should be able to drive in BC without any mountain training? Or decend or climb a river hill without any river training? Or board a ferry without any ferry training? Or Drive in a city without urban training? Or pull super B's or A and C trains without any Super, A, and C training? Or if you train in a kenworth, with an overslung clutch, should you be able to drive a peterbilt without underslung clutch training? Or if you train in a 9 or 10 speed should you be able to drive in a 13,15, or 18, or 5 and 4 without additional training?(We've already gone automatic vs. manual transmission license) Should you require additional training if you're pulling fluids? decks? flammables? animals? vans? reefers? Equipment? Or, if you trained in a truck with a C7 cat, should you require additional training to run a C15, an ISX, Detroit, or Volvo? If you trained in a daycab with a rear window should you require additional training to run with a bunk and no rear window? Should you require additional training in the use of chains before being allowed to operate in muddy, or icy/snowy conditions? Should you be able to park in a truck stop without additional close quarters training?
Maybe we should though? I mean, it could prevent the death or injury of one person, and what if that person was a family member or close friend of yours? If the argument in favor of government legislation is always, "it's worth it if we prevent the death/injury of one person", where will regulation stop? The leviathan can't help itself, and we can't help but cheer them on.

I could go on... And perhaps I should...

What about the real lack of enforcement of the rules that are already in place. What the hell are some of these goons and their garbage equipment doing on the road in the first place? Where are the traffic enforcement officials? You can drive from the BC border to Winnipeg and back quite often without being stopped once, or even asked to report for a weigh in let alone a paperwork check. You can drag 150,000+ lb loads on super B's from central saskatchewan to alberta feedlots at will! You can treat your paper log like it's little more than ass-wipe. You can run full loads down saskatchewan spring weighted roads with impunity.

On another front, is the shipper that hired the fly by night operation that was hauling the peat moss suffering any consequences? Maybe they should? Hell if we're going to pass a shitswack of additional rules, perhaps we could solve a whole lot of the problem by simply stating the shipper is liable while the carrier is in transit. Did they pass up 2,3, or 15 bids at a higher rate to go with the lowest cost company to ship their goods? What is the reason for the bidder's bargain basement pricing? Are they skirting the Hours of Service rules to undercut the competition? Are they skimping on maintenance to undercut the competition? Do they cut corners on load securement to get the job done quicker so as to undercut the competition?

Take the case of us as farmers... We'd sure think differently, about who pulled underneath our auger, or pulled bales out of our field, etc... Should we?

The tough part about making the shipper liable is that cost doesn't necessarily equate quality. It isn't up to me to ensure the trucker doesn't have two log books or that his truck won't pass a safety. That is what DOT are for.

I drive by a weigh scale every time I haul to town. It has only been open a handful of times in the last 18 months because they don't have enough staff. Getting it open regularly would be a definite help. When they have been open there are usually 3 or 4 guys on creepers and they write a bunch of tickets.

You would think they could pay for themselves pretty quick.

[blackpowder]

Scary shit, but it doesn't surprise me.
Without looking it up I think I pay $4k ish a year to insure and register 2 tractors, 1 tandem, 4 trailers( 1 is a wide sprayer trailer), and 3 pickups. No inspections yet, but there are more roadsides lately.
And this is in a province where the evil private sector SELLS the insurance.
Granted, farm use. Rural residence for passenger vehicles, and no drivers under 25.
Oh how much safer I'd feel if only the government would look after this too. Maybe ban something if it saves 1 in a million risks. Gee, maybe only let govt own and operate these dangerous items. Sound familiar???

[FarmJunkie]

Agree 100% bucket! Railways hold small communities ransom and eventually kill them with their efficiency bullshit. Cause and effect just look at our shitty highways. This country needs someone with balls to explain that this country was built with an infrustrature to be added to not taken away. We just continue to go backwards in this country.

[ajl]

I've been in an elevator when a tandem pulls up? They curse and swear call them Tonka trucks. Don't want to waste time on them.

Around here, which is one of the things I like about this area, old guys show up in gas powered three tons. Which makes my '95 IHC diesel tandem a Cadillac. I know there are some elevators that seldom see a tandem.

[helmsdale]

Tandem gravel truck in commercial setting from the local guy, friend, that does a lot of the contract work around here, including me. 15k for plate sticker each year. 30k for liability, less if you keep your coverage low, but if you have a driver that kills someone, 1 mill means **** all. All the vehicle costs went apeshit in this province under 15 years of Liberals.

Add in his semi for lowbedding and belly dump and the costs are even higher.

Farm costs would be less but not by much. 1/2 at best for the sticker.

Alberta costs here as of last year...

Plate registered for 63,500kg: ~$3700/yr pro-rated to run western canada and NW US (Commercial), ~$90/yr (farm)

Insurance for a 2005 Peterbilt, and 2011 Doepker open end trailers: $15,000/year (commercial), $1,100/yr (farm)

Fuel cost for commercial is $0.173/L more expensive than farm in 2018.

[chuckChuck]

Farmers shouldn't be exempt from 1A training. If you are a successful enough to own a semi then you should be properly trained and be prepared to run regularly saftied equipment.

I got mine without a formal training program, but I spent some time driving, supervised by an experienced driver. I don't use it much except at harvest and the occasional trip for seed. I leave the longer hauls and winter driving to the commercials.

There are a lot of heavy trucks on the road. I would like to know that the all the drivers are well trained and their equipment is safe. Yes it is going to cost more. But what is the value of one life let alone 16?

Perhaps farmers should be eligible for graduated licenses and restrictions that limit what their farm trucks can be used for in exchange for lower cost insurance and licensing. But the days of driving a heavy truck without training should be over, farmer or not.

[SASKFARMER3]

Ah, the Acreage Solar panel farmer is on again.

Yes, most farmers should have to take the course the good I took it you learn lots.

But I had been driving our single, tandems and semis since I Was 14 on the farm.

My son has in the fields since 12.

You just don't get to cross the border and Now I is a Truck driver.