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    #41
    Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Chuck and grass , I will ask again for the 4th time , how many of your units on farm are their 4 engines with complete DEF systems??? What are you doing in your farm do reduce emissions.
    Most of us are not opposed to reducing emissions or forthat matter any pollution that we can . But I am sure those that bark the loudest are doing nothing speacial themselves .
    This carbon tax is simply a wealth transfer scheme no matter how you dress it up .
    A carbon tax will do nothing for climate change but force almost all of us out of business.
    Wearealready payi g dearly for emissions controls and a carbon tax will not save one fukin penguin or polar bear orchange the climate.... ever .
    I have energy efficient buildings, furnaces,boilers. I have a solar system in the works to cover my average electricity usage. I don't have any tier 4 engines with DEF as I run a mix of tractors with just a few newer pieces with diesel particulate filters. But we try to reduce energy usage as much possible.
    The biggest single energy input in crop agriculture is Nitrogen fertilizer. Unless you are using animal manure or growing a lot of legumes.

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      #42
      Much like the entire CAGW prophecies, always about what will happen, batteries will get cheap enough someday. And much like CAGW, the goalposts keep getting moved as milestone after milestone gets missed by miles.

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        #43
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        I have energy efficient buildings, furnaces,boilers. I have a solar system in the works to cover my average electricity usage. I don't have any tier 4 engines with DEF as I run a mix of tractors with just a few newer pieces with diesel particulate filters. But we try to reduce energy usage as much possible.
        The biggest single energy input in crop agriculture is Nitrogen fertilizer. Unless you are using animal manure or growing a lot of legumes.
        “I try to reduce usage as much as possible”

        Well the tree huggers that dont even know what glyphos is are gonna **** that up real soon for us
        It’ll be cultivators goin everywhere , 3 times as much fuel used , and soil blowin all over the prairies
        What a bunch of idiots
        Glyphos probably done more for the environment than anyone can imagine
        Our land is ten times better than in the “dirty eighties”
        Had a 1/4 blow away back then . not very nice. Took a lot of years and lots of alfalfa to get it productive again
        One good thing , it’ll take care of the “percieved” grain glut

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          #44
          Everyone with a BRAIN reduces costs/usage. We are totally insulated to the MAX. Vehicles all efficient, Machinery all tuned. Proper chem use and Min till. There is no reason to beat up ag! This shit is all expensive! So give us carrots(credits) if reducing NOT a stick (Carbon Tax) to beat us into bankruptcy! Total idiots!

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            #45
            Agriculture has a case for exemptions or rebates of the carbon tax if the impact is significant.

            Aren't most provinces planning on exempting agricultural fuels?

            But lets see the numbers and impact potential. I think in many cases the impacts are exaggerated.

            The problem is some believe human caused climate change is not happening and that we should not do anything. Hiding from the consequences won't make them go away.

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              #46
              Again how in **** will a carbon tax influence the way you farm other than your bottom line

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                #47
                Originally posted by BreadWinner View Post
                How will farmers recoup the carbon taxes imposed on them? Diesel, freight, chemicals, parts, grain shipping, fertilizer, increased equipment costs, almost everthing a farmer does will be taxed. Do you think they will send you a cheque, hahahaha. Not funny!!!! This could actually make farming unsustainable!!!!
                we could all rent and buy more land to spread our costs out even more.

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                  #48
                  Putting a carbon tax on farms may actually create a opposite effect on carbon output on the farm. We won't be able to afford more efficient machinery, soil testing will be cut out of our budget so we may be over fertilizing in areas, we will burn more stubble instead of incorporating it into the soil, etc.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                    What's scary is guys professing to be experts that can't spell simple words.
                    Hay grassy, now that's funny.

                    Note the hay? That's wrong also. And I used it before.
                    I do it deliberately to draw out the nit picking Grammar Nazis. Cause it sure gets under your thin skin.
                    LOL

                    What's the old saying "Small minds seldom accomplish great deeds"

                    BTW, I have never in any of my comments ANYWHERE ever claimed to an expert about anything.
                    I am a student of everything.
                    Not sure if I should be flattered that you associate me with the elite expert class!!!

                    But for dogs sake man, there are 97% experts who are dead wrong in their climate BS.

                    Why would I ever want to be associated with that slimy group?

                    Cheers

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                      #50
                      The IPCC has always been an arrogant political group using climate to legitimize their devious plans.
                      They want to control the wealth of the world and distribute as they see fit.
                      They are the new totalitarians.

                      There is no science behind what they want to do.
                      But they are really good at scaring people.

                      https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22095-in-paris-scientists-debunk-un-climate-hysteria https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22095-in-paris-scientists-debunk-un-climate-hysteria

                      I think it was Charles Mackay that said "Men go mad in mobs but return to their senses one by one."

                      It's happening again.

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