Carbon Tax

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Villifying Carbon is the most ignorant idea that any shysters could think up. Carbon is the backbone of every living thing and the major component of photosynthesis which results in green growth and oxygen. How can anyone be so obtuce?

Money.

Fortunately for the rest of us, They chose the wrong cause and the wrong effect, And it is all coming crashing down around them. Very amusing to observe, too bad it is our tax dollars wasted in the meantime.

[seldomseen]

Woo Hoo New Brunswick's new premier is ditching the madness of the carbon tax so now 5 provinces and 60% of the population is out.

[Guest]

B.C. Carbon tax Costs every grain grower in western Canada.

no "farmer" in his right mind wants a carbon tax

[Oliver88]

no "farmer" in his right mind wants a carbon tax

No farmer or western Canadian in their right mind would want a carbon tax.

Yet there are some on Agriville that are begging for a carbon tax......

[FarmJunkie]

What are they gonna fight back with when we’re freezing our asses off. Somebody has to pay the tax. There’s no way u can spin it so I feel good about that. Keep the cut and paste bullshit for some other forum. New York Times? Really? Leftward assholes!

[chuckChuck]

I guess Preston Manning must be a left winger too! LOL

Manning calls on Conservatives to stop attacking carbon pricing
By Janice *****on. Published on Mar 8, 2017 5:16pm
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Conservative elder statesman Preston Manning is advising the Conservative caucus to lay off attacking the market-based concept of carbon pricing.

In an email obtained by iPolitics, Manning points caucus members at a Fraser Institute report on carbon pricing by conservative economists Jason Clemens and Ken Green, which he says is “right on” and “could be useful to you.” Manning attached the report to his email.

“I know all of you are wrestling with this issue and that there is considerable disagreement among conservatives on how to approach it, but hopefully this approach — focus on attacking the implementation rather than the market-based concept itself — will be helpful,” Manning writes.

While the Tories have been hammering Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over his plan to price carbon, Conservative leadership candidates and also some members have also attacked Michael Chong on this issue.

Chong is the only leadership candidate to publicly embrace pricing carbon; his arguments in favour of a market-based mechanism to reduce carbon emissions are often greeted by catcalls at leadership debates.

However, there have been few, if any, solid arguments from leadership candidates against Chong’s plan. Candidates merely say it’s a bad idea and attack the concept itself — which is exactly what Manning wants them to stop doing.

Manning writes that the Fraser Institute’s report states that using a pricing mechanism to drive down carbon pollution is preferable, from the perspective of market-oriented conservatives, to micro-regulation by governments.

“But then they assert that for this concept to work in practice it is absolutely essential that it possess certain characteristics: genuine revenue neutrality, a significant reduction in environmental regulations, and a no-subsidy policy with respect to alternative energy sources,” writes Manning.

He goes on to say that the report makes the point that none of the carbon-pricing regimes proposed in Canada meet the criteria — citing the federal, Alberta, Ontario and British Columbia schemes as examples. Manning steers clear of referencing Chong’s plan.

Manning writes that the implementation of a carbon-pricing regime is being “hopelessly bungled” by these administrations and it is “this bungled implementation which should be the primary focus of our attacks and opposition.”

Drilling down into the implementation of carbon pricing, says Manning, avoids “putting conservatives in the contradictory position of appearing to favour regulation over market mechanisms for dealing with environmental challenges.”

[Hamloc]

Chuck2 as far as the new LNG Canada developement in B.C. they negotiated a freeze in the carbon tax rate of $30 a tonne. So while everyone else in B.C. pays a rising rate which will be $50 a tonne in 2022, LNG Canada will still be paying $30 a tonne. At present in both Aberta and B.C. a residential gas consumer pays more per gigajoule of natural gas for the carbon tax than for the natural gas! As a farmer many of the products and services I buy will increase in cost due to the carbon tax. Things like fertilizer and herbicides are all petroleum based and will increase in price. in a year like this the costs of drying grain will be much more expensive due to the carbon tax. In Alberta my freight rates to have grain hauled to the elevator have increased 12.5% in the last 2 years, certainly not all the carbon taxes fault but certainly contributes, the carbon tax on diesel is 8.43 cents gst included per litre.

When Justin Trudeau first introduced his Pan Canadian carbon tax plan Saskatchewan was the only vocal opponent, that has certainly changed. So the question of the day Chuck2 is: Can Justin Trudeau win the next federal election running on a pro carbon tax agenda and after imposing a federal carbon tax on many of the province's Jan. 1, 2019? Look forward to your response.

[chuckChuck]

As you point out the market cost of fuel has gone up significantly and this wealth transfer is going to the oil industry. If energy costs are such a big deal, why not advocate that the price of fuel should be lower for farmers?

You already pay significant taxes on fuel. A carbon tax will certainly add some cost. The question is how much and whether this will affect your net income in a significant way? What is your estimate for your farm?

Regulating carbon emissions will also add costs to inputs. All provinces say they will still have a plan to reduce carbon emissions. So what is the cost of those plans versus a carbon tax?

Agriculture and other industries can make the case that they should receive rebates to offset the carbon tax effect.

The government is planning to send back rebates to many consumers.

The whole point of putting a price on carbon is to lower emissions, increase efficiency, and spur innovation and alternatives.

Preston Manning, Michael Chong and other Conservatives see value in this approach. BC's experience shows that it works and can be done without a lot of negative effects on the economy.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If increased CO2 weren't entirely beneficial to mankind, a tax on CO2 would be an ideal market based solution to reducing it's output, but would require levels orders of magnitude higher than currently proposed to have any meaningful effect, especially in an industrialised cold sparse country such as ours. People are slowly realising that CO2 is not the demon it was portrayed as by the wealth distribution schemers.

As it stands, supporting the carbon tax is becoming political suicide, so the best we can hope for is that Trudeau decides that this is the hill he will die on and fights the provinces, while making it a central issue of his next election campaign, so that voters can tell him how they really feel about it, eliminating the concept once and for all.

[Hamloc]

It has been estimated a carbon tax of $50 will increase fertilizer costs by up to $3 an acre, this will cost me close to $6000. I would estimate the total cost per year for me would be well over $10000 at $50 per tonne by 2022, maybe more. You never addressed my question on whether Trudeau can win on a pro carbon tax platform, no provincial government has.