So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[kato]

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Speaking of cheaper American milk... we were in Minot last week and a 1 gallon jug cost $3.69. When you factor the exchange that's the same price we pay here. Their producers are struggling, while ours survive.

What's the difference? The difference is that the farmers down there are obviously not getting their share of the return. Boom and bust over and over.

Our dairy producers don't get subsidies. Their milk revenue is kept out of agstability calculations for one thing. American producers need bailouts constantly, on top of all the cheese and milk the government buys.

Even if it was just to piss off Trump, and no other reason, I'd say defend SM.

[Grahamp]

Saskatchewan also has a very generous new entrant program for dairy. You can get 15-20 KG matched 1 for 1 with what you purchase. You can’t sell it but it can be assigned to a financial institution as security. So if you want to start a 60 cow dairy you can get 1/3 if the quota for free. The system is not as exclusionary as this thread is making it out to be.

[grassfarmer]

If supply management is such a fair & wonderful institution, why is the largess not distributed equitably: why does Quebec with less population than Ontario get more quota and 4 times the quota than Alberta with 1/2 the population of Quebec?

I don't think there is any conspiracy here. If as everybody says quota was allocated for free to dairy farmers initially it's geographic distribution would reflect where farmers had chosen to milk cows in the free enterprise, pre-SM era.

[westernvicki]

I don't think there is any conspiracy here. If as everybody says quota was allocated for free to dairy farmers initially it's geographic distribution would reflect where farmers had chosen to milk cows in the free enterprise, pre-SM era.

Let us never forget that the east is almost 300 years older than the west, (settlement in the 1600s versus the west in the late 1800s) in this history over time multifaceted enterprise develops. Posters to this site noted the difficulty in developing a small business to service the local demand for farm fresh food in numbers that support the economics necessary to diversify. The question is does the system support or penalize diversity?

The fairness test is one that should be applied to today.

[WiltonRanch]

Let us never forget that the east is almost 300 years older than the west, (settlement in the 1600s versus the west in the late 1800s) in this history over time multifaceted enterprise develops. Posters to this site noted the difficulty in developing a small business to service the local demand for farm fresh food in numbers that support the economics necessary to diversify. The question is does the system support or penalize diversity?

The fairness test is one that should be applied to today.

Much like the Crow Rate, Grain stableization, Beef Stableization schemes of the past; supply management though not a subsidy in the monetary sense as the latter mentioned, is creating an artificial economy. Though supply management is great at ensuring producers receive a profitable price and there is no over production, the barrier to entry flies in the face of all other sectors of agriculture and trading partners. We want free trade but won’t give up a cartel long since abandoned by everyone else worldwide. SM may be alright but we look like Hippocrates hanging onto it.

[farmaholic]

I wouldn't want to invest the capital in cows and equipment and milk cows for less than the guys are doing it for today. You couldn't pay me enough, but I am an inherently lazy Sandbox farmer from the Slum of the Ghetto..... only doing enough to "get by".

[burnt]

Much like the Crow Rate, Grain stableization, Beef Stableization schemes of the past; supply management though not a subsidy in the monetary sense as the latter mentioned, is creating an artificial economy. Though supply management is great at ensuring producers receive a profitable price and there is no over production, the barrier to entry flies in the face of all other sectors of agriculture and trading partners. We want free trade but won’t give up a cartel long since abandoned by everyone else worldwide. SM may be alright but we look like Hippocrates hanging onto it.

WiltonRanch, in light of the usual open, honest and concise arguments you offer with your usual surgical precision, the above quote appears to be uncharacteristically doctored.

[WiltonRanch]

WiltonRanch, in light of the usual open, honest and concise arguments you offer with your usual surgical precision, the above quote appears to be uncharacteristically doctored.

Shit sorry about that. Reading back on my run on sentence It does look like it don’t it. I try to write better than I speak, and think before too.

[burnt]

Shit sorry about that. Reading back on my run on sentence It does look like it don’t it. I try to write better than I speak, and think before too.

Not criticizing your sentence, its coherence, structure or content - with which I happen to agree.

I refer strictly to "Hippocrates", you know, the venerable doctor of distant history?

Sadly, I really don't think we emulate his wisdom in any way, but rather our dim-witted duplicity makes us look like hypocrites?

Sorry for my weak attempt at humor. It's at a low ebb these days.

[farmaholic]

And I thought he was comparing Canadians to hippopotamus shipping containers... I wasn't getting it.