While we were busy .....

**ajl** · Aug 16, 2018, 20:04

Just another day here in third world Canuckistan, government acting on any and all junk science they can find. No shortage of insects where I live.

**RTK** · Aug 16, 2018, 22:08

If Helix and Prosper are killing the bees; maybe the responsibility should rest with the beekeepers to keep their bees from entering private treated fields?

**AlbertaFarmer5** · Aug 16, 2018, 23:45

Originally posted by RTK View Post

If Helix and Prosper are killing the bees; maybe the responsibility should rest with the beekeepers to keep their bees from entering private treated fields?

So, what you are saying, is if my cows get out, and get into your unfenced alfalfa field, bloat and die from eating alfalfa, I can't blame you, and ban you from growing alfalfa?

While I am quite certain these chemicals ( all chemicals) have unintended consequences, some of which fall into the category of we don't know what we don't know, considering how little understood the microflaura and microfauna is, it seems that bees are not one of those consequences. According to these guys, populations are at all time highs in Canada:
https://www.beesmatter.ca/honey-bee-population-patterns/ https://www.beesmatter.ca/honey-bee-population-patterns/

**furrowtickler** · Aug 17, 2018, 00:18

Ummmm , who produces these products again ????? And told us as producers they were safe ?? Again where does responsibly lie ???
Yup primary producers gonna take the hit ..... again

**SASKFARMER3** · Aug 17, 2018, 05:47

Bend over boys and get lubed up as we are just like JT the Female and are going to take it up the Ass.

Sounds harsh but this is all preplanned, we will have to treat Canola with a new product that costs twice what it was before because they couldn't get seed any higher now its the seed treatments.

It's like not being able to spray Roundup that will be here for Fall 2019 so Farmers are left with probably a new chem that's safe and costs three times the money.

Wake up it's them against us and we're not going to win this shit show till they STarve.

**furrowtickler** · Aug 17, 2018, 07:04

Like round up and lindane , became too cheap with too many hands selling it - get rid of it bring in a new shiny product worth 3x thatâ€™s less effective. Itâ€™s the way of the world now .

**macdon02** · Aug 17, 2018, 07:30

According to the canola growers press release, they are a little worried acres will drop like in Europe after the ban. I'm guessing the industry reaction is gonna be a bumped rate of lumiderm and free Coragen with the price spike. Personally if I'm throwing in bug juice I want everything dead as I'm not doing it twice and I'll guarantee it's way more toxic to bee then helix. Not much accountability in the regulatory department. Beekeepers should take a run at govt. Its not that far of a stretch when you see the payouts courts award to past victims. Seems like the world wants to take all our tools away and put us in the dark ages.

**chuckChuck** · Aug 17, 2018, 07:51

Europe has already banned several neonicotinoids. Canada is moving forward on a ban because the science, some of which has been done right here in Canada and Saskatchewan is showing that they are negatively affecting pollinators and other organisms.

You can't just keep pouring harmful insecticides into the soil, water and air year after year and expect everything is going to be okay.

And calling everything junk science just because you don't like it is bullshit.

This is a science based decision whether you like it or not.

**macdon02** · Aug 17, 2018, 08:15

Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post

Europe has already banned several neonicotinoids. Canada is moving forward on a ban because the science, some of which has been done right here in Canada and Saskatchewan is showing that they are negatively affecting pollinators and other organisms.

You can't just keep pouring harmful insecticides into the soil, water and air year after year and expect everything is going to be okay.

And calling everything junk science just because you don't like it is bullshit.

This is a science based decision whether you like it or not.

So the science was good enough to pass these products in initial registration but now it isn't? Sounds like religion over science

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