Hypocrisy on Saudi Arabia

[furrowtickler]

How long was Harper in power with a majority?
Long enough to build a pipeline to the east.
And if the Irving's had wanted one , Harper would accomadate in a second.
So do not blame the east in general.
Do you seriously believe that Ontario or Quebec residents have a say in what oil ends up in the local refinery

And grass was right to bring
Up a case, of blatant hypocrisy.
How much clearer than that does it have to be .

Good job grass

This is not about Harper or Irving oil , it’s about the current government flaunting this human rights issue all over the globe in everyone's face . But ignoring it at home . I am all for equal rights for all , but if your going to beat the drum and still alow imports from those very same nations , or give billions to them annually that have very little regard to human rights , while handcuffing your own tax payers and natural resources.... well just pointing out that that screams hypocrisy as well .
Harper never ran around the world telling others what to do and fuking up trade with other nations. Was he perfect , nope , but Peter Pan shows no balls to back up his “Ideals” .
Again ... do as I say not as I do .... 👎👎.

[sawfly1]

now if you guys , want to put your socialist shoes on
we / the government . can build a pipeline to the east.

I am all in

once you do that.

then what if , the Saudis have a change of heart .
and forgive Canada .
now they want to sell oil 10- 20 $ a barrel cheaper to the east .
than western oil .

now what ?
are you going demand by law , the refinery's buy western oil ?

if you say yes , you are a worse socialist than me

[macdon02]

now if you guys , want to put your socialist shoes on
we / the government . can build a pipeline to the east.

I am all in

once you do that.

then what if , the Saudis have a change of heart .
and forgive Canada .
now they want to sell oil 10- 20 $ a barrel cheaper to the east .
than western oil .

now what ?
are you going demand by law , the refinery's buy western oil ?

if you say yes , you are a worse socialist than me

Just saying ..... but don't we end up buying Quebec cheese, because of law? Correct me if I'm wrong. According to dairygoodness.ca 75% of the cheese in Canada is supplied by Quebec

[sawfly1]

furrow first it was no more flaunting Canadian human rights , than Barids condemnation
of the flogging.
and grass was right , for Barid to come out with anything less than support of freeland .
just proves he is an a hole .

[sawfly1]

hey macdon I am all in.
it is you guys that never get on board with these things.

[macdon02]

hey macdon I am all in.
it is you guys that never get on board with these things.

I think with the pipeline east out was a chicken or egg deal.... sorry about the pun. It was bad. Anyhow govt didn't make it happen previously as industry wasn't looking for it, and govt wasn't in the the pipeline biz. But things changed, margins got hammered, royalties increased, regulation increased, US started exporting and industry said "let's do this or we die". Then Mr Coderre says no way. The only other timeframe in recent history that this would have been feasible was likely 1998 when crude was $12 .... But we were probably importing for $10 then. Guess my point is opportunity only comes around so often and it's a shame to not see it happen because govt needs the money on all levels down to municipal. Think Canadian select crude is sub 40 ish according to BNN today

[furrowtickler]

furrow first it was no more flaunting Canadian human rights , than Barids condemnation
of the flogging.
and grass was right , for Barid to come out with anything less than support of freeland .
just proves he is an a hole .

Yes I agree on Barid, never said otherwise. Was just pointing out the hypocrisy on this whole Saudi deal , if we as Canadians are going to champion human rights , and I am all for that , stop Saudi Oil ....... make a point . Don’t just send useless tweets . Saudis have made several moves, planes, pilots , students. Peter Pan needs to grow a set and stop the Saudi oil . But the point is he won’t

[grassfarmer]

Yes I agree on Barid, never said otherwise. Was just pointing out the hypocrisy on this whole Saudi deal , if we as Canadians are going to champion human rights , and I am all for that , stop Saudi Oil ....... make a point . Don’t just send useless tweets . Saudis have made several moves, planes, pilots , students. Peter Pan needs to grow a set and stop the Saudi oil . But the point is he won’t

Nor did the Harper Government with Baird involved, just saying.

[furrowtickler]

Nor did the Harper Government with Baird involved, just saying.

Could be , never followed it much back then .

[wmoebis]

Why was it okay to let them in here to potentially take over grain markets but selling oil is a no no? Was there no concerns then under previous government?

[Guest]

now if you guys , want to put your socialist shoes on
we / the government . can build a pipeline to the east.

I am all in

once you do that.

then what if , the Saudis have a change of heart .
and forgive Canada .
now they want to sell oil 10- 20 $ a barrel cheaper to the east .
than western oil .

now what ?
are you going demand by law , the refinery's buy western oil ?

if you say yes , you are a worse socialist than me

well "they" demand that I buy my higher priced fuel and chem in Canada ?

[checking]

We/ government had no problems buying a pipeline to the West Coast. I can't see the difference in we/ government extending one to the East Coast.

SA is so offended by a loose lips Canadian government tweet that they would stop all trade, except for oil to the East Coast refinery in Canada. Hypocrisy, anyone!

Sawfly, do you have any examples of SA giving a specific refinery an undercut world oil price, just to stop a competitor that bought space in a pipeline from shipping its oil/part of its oil to that specific refinery?

[sawfly1]

No .I have no idea if the Saudis undercut anybody.
I am pretty sure they would not be happy. if they lost lots of sales.
A big player like they are ,can probably do what ever they want

[checking]

In 2016 the CEO of Irving Oil went on record that even if Energy East was connected to the refinery it would still import SA oil for competition.

Today, if SA was shut out of the refinery, the US could easily supply missing SA barrels. It would reshuffle where those SA tankers would go, meaning US oil destined for a tariff by China would avoid it at Irving, and SA oil meant for Irving would be rerouted to a tariff free China to make up for a US shortfall. Sounds like a win-win for the US and SA, and a win for a Just get us In Trouble supposed leader in Canada if he would act.

Acting is everything. Trouble should know that. LOL