For Liberals, legalizing pot is not enough!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I could support decriminalizing the use of drugs, not much to be gained by kicking the victims while they are down. But that has to go along with treating the dealers and manufacturers as the murderers that they are. Selling, distributing or manufacturing should be automatically considered first degree murder, since that is the end result far too often.

Someone had to get all those addicts addicted in the first place, many of them didn't even know what they were taking that got them hooked.

[burnt]

Speaking of stupid, the talk is of decrimilazing, not legalizing, does it make much difference if you have a criminal record or just a record of possession, we would probably save millions in court costs if it was decriminalized,
Forget your politics and look at the idea with an open mind.

Speaking of an open mind, has anyone looked at the cost of treating this problem as a "medical condition" rather than a high risk, self-harming choice?

Medical condition - ya - handy little diversion, if you can pull it off. Is there actually one moron out there that denies that it's the result of a deliberate, personal choice?

I have a family member whose experience in the Emergency department of a city hospital gives an irrefutable case for the sky-high cost of treating these systemic abusers.

The cost of admitting O.D.s, treating with Naloxone, monitoring and then releasing them was about $1,500.00 a pop.

Only to have the same perps show up within a short time to wash, rinse and repeat.

How many times should they get a chance?

And that doesn't even address the safety issues encountered when an out-of-control drug freak ends up in triage (enter cops...when they get finally there). Or the crazed woman who smeared her own feces all over the room she was locked in - doors, windows, walls - until sufficient help was rallied to deal with her drug-fueled raging. The necessary compassion and coping take one hell of a toll - and they abuse it!

How many health care dollars should be wasted on them, especially when it leaves a smaller slice of a limited pie for facilities and treatment of genuine medical conditions - osteopathics, oncology...

And you need not accuse me of having a tough attitude because I don't have anyone close to me with the problem - that dog won't hunt.

There are inexcusably long waiting lists for necessary surgery - why should one family member have to wait 18 months for a new hip because another soaks up healthcare $ because of her drug abuse?

And you want to talk about the "millions" saved in legal costs by decriminalizing it?

Forget your politics and look at the real costs with an open mind - if it's not clouded in a haze of drugs...

[farmaholic]

You just been "burnt"!

Lol...

[agstar77]

You just answered your own question. We have those problems and costs now along with the full prisons. Would it not be better to reduce the O.D. s and the confrontations with police and healthcare workers . Give them safe sites and monitor the drugs so they are not contaminated. No one said it would be easy. Provide treatment for those who can stop.

[sumdumguy]

Minor amount not a problem hell grow 4 plants if you want but coke lsd heroine fu&ks people up. More possession and your s dealer nail them.

Also today’s drug dealer isn’t like when we were young they sell shit laced with all sorts of shit that can kill you.

Times changing but the liberals are screwing this ip also

Also starting to believe use in younger years wrecks brains look at your hero Trudeau

I am glad to see Marijuana legalized and growing a few ok. I do know several people who are relaxed users-very intelligent and hard-working too, so I don’t know what to say SF3 except, I have no experience but maybe I would benefit. I love to see things grow, but a stinky like skunk plant - gotta plug my nose.

[GDR]

From what I here, the latest thing is knowingly pushing the Fentnyl limit by calling 911 then using the drugs knowing you are going to od and assuming the first responders will get there in time. Yikes I just don't get it.

[burnt]

You just answered your own question. We have those problems and costs now along with the full prisons. Would it not be better to reduce the O.D. s and the confrontations with police and healthcare workers . Give them safe sites and monitor the drugs so they are not contaminated. No one said it would be easy. Provide treatment for those who can stop.

From what I here, the latest thing is knowingly pushing the Fentnyl limit by calling 911 then using the drugs knowing you are going to od and assuming the first responders will get there in time. Yikes I just don't get it.

Well agstar77 indicates that we should just overlook this reckless behavior and suck up the costs.

As if we owe it to some to save their lives because of their chosen, willful irresponsibility while others pay for it and cannot access necessary, non-discretionary, legitimate health care.

Sure, it may be that "safe sites" (what a stupid, ill-chosen name - think about it) save some lives, but at whose cost?

It appears that a complete loss of objectivity is one of the fatal side effects of a socialist view?

Where does personal responsibility come in? If I want to drive 100 MPH all the time or run stop signs to save time, why shouldn't I be allowed to?

Can't have the death penalty for drug dealers (the cops know who these guys are), but we can let people die - both directly and indirectly - because of their activity?

What does it say about a society when it erodes or eliminates certain laws because they inconvenience some who flaunt those laws, to the detriment of all?

"Well, they're not following that law, so let's just strike it down?"

Why have any laws?

[Oliver88]

Burnt you have summarized what is wrong with our healthcare system, justice system and Liberal decision makers quite well.


It is shocking how naive some people can be with the concept of “safe-injection” sites. These same people will not have an issue with our long wait times for standard surgery and they definitely won’t be in favour of harsh penalties for drug dealers that our killing young people.

[beaverdam]

Notice chuckChuck doesn't defend this Liberal idea, only the global warming theory.
Has he ever commented on Justin's idea of having Canada's youth, growup and turn out to be like Justin's mother, messed up in the head, because of all the dope she smoked growing up in B.C. and her time with Mick, Keith, Charlie and Ronnie?

[agstar77]

So you do not want to prevent overdoses or use of contaminated drugs. How do you want to solve the problem? The system we have now has never worked. Human nature will not change but you can modify behavior and reset it. The central question is whether it is more cost effective to treat drug addiction as a medical problem or a criminal problem and which choice will be better for society. We should only look after the perfect people and put the rest in prison.

[sumdumguy]

What about convicted hard drug smugglers-think we should welcome them back with open arms? Two girls from Quebec just sentenced in Australia. They were, “on vacation.” Now they have a paid long vacation in the land down udder.