Freeze up coming,

[danny W1M]

and looking at the forecast, might be Halloween, this year! Would be 14-20 days early for us in SESask.

You know,,,,, glow-ball warming and all.

[malleefarmer]

I also posted this on Facebook page today, in the period Sept 2016 to Sept 2017 we saw a record ice sheet gain for Greenland. This has little to do with weather and more with climate, however look where we were in 2012, well below normal at peak melt.
Last year, we were way above normal, and so far this year we are already trending way above normal as you can see with the blue line.
Since September 1, Greenland has accumulated another 100 trillion tonnes of ice, a sure sign we have reached the point of no return and the planet is overheated. Tongue firmly in cheek.

[redleaf]

Mallee i’d like to see that link. Post it here if you can

[Rareearth]

That’s where all the damn rain went this year, hope it melts again😀

[chuckChuck]

I also posted this on Facebook page today, in the period Sept 2016 to Sept 2017 we saw a record ice sheet gain for Greenland. This has little to do with weather and more with climate, however look where we were in 2012, well below normal at peak melt.
Last year, we were way above normal, and so far this year we are already trending way above normal as you can see with the blue line.
Since September 1, Greenland has accumulated another 100 trillion tonnes of ice, a sure sign we have reached the point of no return and the planet is overheated. Tongue firmly in cheek.

Mallee where is your scientific reference for a 100 trillion tonnes gain as a quick look on the internet showed only a small gain in 2016-2017 ice mass on greenland and gave a good explanation from Climate Scientists of why in the following article.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-greenland-ice-sheet-2017
"So far we’ve only discussed the surface processes. Incorporating the losses from calving gives us the “total mass budget” for the year.

Since at least 2002, the total mass budget has been substantially negative, with the Greenland ice sheet losing around 200-300bn tonnes of ice each year. This year, thanks partly to Nicole’s snow and partly to the relatively low amounts of melt in the summer, we estimate the total mass budget to be close to zero and possibly even positive.

We should emphasise that this is an educated estimate of the Greenland total mass budget. We will have to wait for further data to become available from various satellite datasets to estimate the actual calving losses. (Unfortunately, it’s not certain the ageing GRACE satellites, which show the trend in mass loss, will provide any more data. Their replacements are planned for launch later this year.)So, overall, how has 2016-17 been for the Greenland ice sheet? Well, it hasn’t been a particularly bad year – the year-on-year decline of the ice sheet has been slightly checked. The 2016-17 season demonstrates how important year-to-year weather conditions in Greenland are in determining the annual SMB – showing that individual years can buck the long-term trend.

But while the Greenland ice sheet has seen a neutral, or small positive, change in ice for this year, it should be noted that Greenland has lost approximately 3,600bn tonnes of ice since 2002.

And, as you can see in the chart below, this has added about 1cm to global average sea levels.

[blackpowder]

Greenland supported Viking agriculture once too, so.....?

[furrowtickler]

So in reality it is still melting from the little ice age that happened a few hundred years ago . So getting back to normal now ? Like as stated when the Vikings were well settled there 1000 years ago ?

[macdon02]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-41608722 it's so cold the penguins can't **** for the second year in a row.

[biglentil]

Tell me can ground this dry freeze?

[farmaholic]

Tell me can ground this dry freeze?

I doubt it. But without an insulating blanket of snow it may freeze dry,(dry out some more).

Edit,

Just keep asking yourself, "wouldn't it be nice if it didn't matter"!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

There comes a time you realize, "I don't need this shit". Everyone should grow their own food.

[chuckChuck]

Blackpowder and Furrow,
In order to understand climate change you have to look at long term trends. One year in one region does not make a trend. In any case the article I posted above explains what happened in Greenland in 2016-2017. There was possibly a small ice mass increase or none at all depending on how much calving occurred. The long term trend clearly indicates shrinking.

I know you guys are politically opposed to to global warming but you can't deny or change the science that clearly shows it is happening.

It is pretty easy to see what has happened to the glaciers in Canada. If you go to the Colombia ice fields between banff and jasper there are signs put up that show the glaciers at different dates. The Athabaska glacier has shrunk 1.5 km since 1890! 5 metres per year. Does that indicate global cooling? Nope. Pretty easy to see and understand it is caused by warming.

So when you say it doesn't matter then look at the following estimates of potential sea level rise if the Greenland or Antarctic ice caps melt. One or both would put all most all the worlds coastal cities underwater!

https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/quickfacts/icesheets.html
Why are ice sheets important?

Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet). If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet).

The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets also influence weather and climate. Large high-altitude plateaus on the ice caps alter storm tracks and create cold downslope winds close to the ice surface.

In addition, the layers of ice blanketing Greenland and Antarctica contain a unique record of Earth's climate history.

[furrowtickler]

Point is the climate has always changed , for 1000's of years . Long before fossil fuels were burnt .
Most of us believe that it is currently way over hyped for political gain ... that's the issue.
You bring up one of the over hyped situations - the Greenland ice sheets , the only way they will ever totally melt is if the earth shifted on its axis and Greenland became in a more southern latitudes.
Yes they may loose some ice during a warm period but they will also gain ice over a cool period , like the little ice age several hundred years ago.
Pollutants from fossil fuels are not good for the environment, that's a fact . But a lot of tech already has reduced emissions dramatically with vehicles and farm machinery with def systems that cost us dearly already. Carbon taxes to fight "climate change" is fruitless. Its simply a wealth transfer from those that have no choice to burn fossil fuel now and in the immediate future to those who ride their bicycle to work . That's why the backlash from most of us.

[chuckChuck]

Point is the climate has always changed , for 1000's of years . Long before fossil fuels were burnt .
Most of us believe that it is currently way over hyped for political gain ... that's the issue.
You bring up one of the over hyped situations - the Greenland ice sheets , the only way they will ever totally melt is if the earth shifted on its axis and Greenland became in a more southern latitudes.
Yes they may loose some ice during a warm period but they will also gain ice over a cool period , like the little ice age several hundred years ago.
Pollutants from fossil fuels are not good for the environment, that's a fact . But a lot of tech already has reduced emissions dramatically with vehicles and farm machinery with def systems that cost us dearly already. Carbon taxes to fight "climate change" is fruitless. Its simply a wealth transfer from those that have no choice to burn fossil fuel now and in the immediate future to those who ride their bicycle to work . That's why the backlash from most of us.

There is no evidence that any period of global cooling is going to occur any time soon. On the contrary at current CO2 levels we are on track to significant warming which the data all shows. The risk is rapid out of control warming because once the ice is reduced reflecting less of the suns energy and the permafrost releases mega tonnes of carbon and methane we could see warming that will be catastrophic. Canada's arctic is seeing a lot of warming now more than other regions. This is a long term issue but changing carbon emissions has to start decades in advance. Almost every nation is aware of the issue and is in favour of reducing emissions. Actually reducing emissions is going to be very difficult and that is why there is a lot of talk and not much action because it is a huge change. Carbon taxes wont solve the problem alone but they are one of the tools that can be used. If you remember when gas was a 1.40 -1.50 per litre consumption dropped. So prices and taxes do affect consumption. Sales of big trucks dropped off and people purchased more fuel efficient cars.

[furrowtickler]

I see your point but you ignored the fact that we as farmers already invite a huge cost with def systems that dramatically reduce emissions. Also we can not reduce consumption much and will have to eat the full cost of the fairy tale tax with no way to pass it on .

[blackpowder]

So let it happen.
Plan for the change. Dont castrate your economy for the benefit of China. Legislating a change to the weather is folly.

An aquaintance was present at higher level AB govt meetings after C tax in. All present gleefully schemed how much of the expected $5B new income they could get. Fools and suckers. If i agree to your science will you agree to being a fool?