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[Braveheart]

Party on Blackpowder. But you should have pointed out the false news from Grassfarmer as he misled Mallee. The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up". Instead of many buyers, or a few buyers (however you count) there was only one. Of course thereafter, like the Highlander movie, the cry was, "There can be only one".

Grassfarmer's team always leaves the impression they marched in the street for a wheat board. If they had, they'd have been mistaken for homeless people, and no Canadian government has ever paid attention to the homeless.

[grassfarmer]

The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up".

Fact or fiction?

From Wikipedia "The Canadian Wheat Board was a marketing board for wheat and barley in Western Canada. Established by the Parliament of Canada on 5 July 1935, its operation was governed by the Canadian Wheat Board Act..." ."

Which war was going on in 1935 that Canada was involved in?

[chuckChuck]

Canpotex
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canpotex Limited Canpotex
Type Private
Industry Exporting and marketing
Founded 1970
Headquarters Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
Area served Worldwide
Key people Bill Doyle Chairman
Products Potash
Owner Agrium, The Mosaic Company, and Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan
Number of employees 88 (2009)
Website www.canpotex.com

Canpotex, short for Canadian Potash Exporters (reporting mark PTEX), is a Canadian potash exporting and marketing firm, incorporated in 1970 and operating since 1972.[1] Based in Saskatchewan, Canpotex manages the entire Saskatchewan potash exporting industry (excluding Canadian and US sales), including transportation and delivery.[2] It has been criticized as a "cartel".[3]

Canpotex is the world's largest exporter of potash, selling over nine million tonnes of potash in 2008,[1] representing about one-third of global capacity.[4][5] The global potash market was considered a duopoly between Canpotex and Belarusian Potash Company (BPC), a similar consortium which exported Belarusian (Belaruskali) and Russian potash (Uralkali); until the BPC marketing venture failed in 2013, the two collectively controlled 70% of global potash exports.[6]

Contents

1 Member producers
2 Facilities
3 Ships
4 References

Member producers

Canpotex is wholly owned by its three member producers:[1][5]

Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan (PotashCorp) — 51% of potash exported
The Mosaic Company — 39%
Agrium — 10%

[chuckChuck]

So how is it that Canpotex is allowed to act as a single desk seller for 3 potash mining companies in Saskatchewan? Obviously 3 independent sellers see advantages to selling under a single desk. Brad Wall was concerned about losing the pricing advantage of Canpotex and the resulting lower royalities. Hmmmm? How could Brad Wall be in favour of a single desk for Potash? Isn't the free market the only way to sell saskatchewan commodities?

[bucket]

Canpotex and the members operate in a collusionary system that government approves.

The members of canpotex all agree to produce so much.....


Get 50000 farmers to agree and you might have an basis to your theory.

[chuckChuck]

Canpotex and potash: The monopoly behind the mineral
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/canpotex-and-potash-the-monopoly-behind-the-mineral/article1241076/?page=all

That lack of scrutiny is over. Whatever the final ending of the Potash Corp. takeover story, BHP's hostile offer has unleashed a fierce debate about Canpotex's future - one that will rage on even if the Australian company doesn't win the day. Early on, Marius Kloppers, the chief executive of the world's largest mining company, suggested the agency had outlived his usefulness and said BHP would eventually remove itself from it, if were to win Potash Corp. That got the company on the wrong foot with the Saskatchewan government, which sees Canpotex as vital to keep prices for the commodity and government revenues aloft.

[chuckChuck]

It is kind of ironic that Brad Wall who did not support the CWB monopoly single desk seller for farmers, loves Canpotex a monopoly single desk seller of potash which helps keep potash prices higher for farmers!
Whose side is Brad on?

[chuckChuck]

Bucket your point is well taken.

Corporations have to act in the best interest of shareholders. If establishing some sort of monopoly is possible, corporations will pursue that state.

Some farmers on the other hand see individual rights as more important than any gain that may result from working together.

[furrowtickler]

Canpotex can control the production of potash , thus the price to some degree.

Mother Nature controls grain production supply - this why the utopian idea of the CWB never did work .

No different than the supply management argument that gets brought up . They control price via supply . That was 100% impossible with the Socialist Water Boarding of the past .

[blackpowder]

Any similarities between wheat and potash are hallucinations.

[Braveheart]

There were other wheat boards prior to 1935 that failed and until 1943 (War Measures Act) it wasn't compulsory for farmers to sell wheat through the wheat board. We really needed Wikileaks not Wikipedia when talking about the wheat board.

[vvalk]

Bucket your point is well taken.

Corporations have to act in the best interest of shareholders. If establishing some sort of monopoly is possible, corporations will pursue that state.

Some farmers on the other hand see individual rights as more important than any gain that may result from working together.

Chuck chuck
Just take a minute and think about it. It's the exact opposite. The CWB only had a monopoly against farmers. They had absolute right to buy the grain from farmers in Canada. What makes you think they had any sort of monopoly on selling grain to the world? They had like 15% market share on wheat and only cwrs and no other wheat. they would even force cwrs into non cwrs markets. Please enlighten me how I have this wrong

[Integrity_Farmer]

[QUOTE=Braveheart;340272]Party on Blackpowder. But you should have pointed out the false news from Grassfarmer as he misled Mallee. The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up". Instead of many buyers, or a few buyers (however you count) there was only one. Of course thereafter, like the Highlander movie, the cry was, "There can be only one".


Party on Blackpowder. What BS
From wiki In 1963, Mitchell Sharp was first elected as a member of Parliament representing Eglinton.

Farmers never voted to end the Canadian Wheat Board.

The Canadian Wheat Board had universal support from farmers in western Canada and continued to have the support of farmers. The last CWB board of directors had 8 out of 10 CWB democratically elected farmer board members that were single desk CWB supporters. In fact Ritz and Harper arbitrarily removed the elected farmer representatives on the Board of Directors and ended the CWB.

The CWB was a single desk marketer not a grain company.

For information go to http://www.cwbafacts.ca/

Download the Great Canadian Grain Robbery here
http://www.cwbafacts.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2015-Election-Facts-Harper-Hides.pdf

As the saying goes those that don't remember and understand history are condemned to relive it. Farmers have lost billions of dollars since the CWB was destroyed by Harper.

[Oliver88]

Comparing potash to CWRS is apples to oranges.

Saskatchewan has approximately 50% of world potash supply.
CWB controlled a minor amount CWRS and also malt barley.

Canpotex controlled production quantities of Agrium, Mosaic and PCS by allocating quotas for each company.

[Braveheart]

Or read Don Barron's, "Canada's Great Grain Robbery" an eerily similar title, but 180 degree view of things.