Reading NFU thread a question?

[malleefarmer]

casih yes that's 18 to 35 buyer at our elevatopr plus myriad of buyers who buy direct off farm.

My preffered option is actually selling to container market most days $20 to 25 above market extreme days $40 plus.

Yes westernvicki there is access to all buyers at port legislated. And a auction system for port slots see what I can dig up.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/rural-news/2014-12-12/nrn-shipping-slots/5957576
http://www.smh.com.au/business/auction-system-goes-against-the-grain-for-some-traders-20140909-10eiw0.html

Last link in WA have since moved to LTA

[blackpowder]

Well, I'm drinkin draught so I'll humor grassfarmer.
I'm sure he well remembers 6 bu quotas and criminal charges for moving grain interprovincially.
As well as all the complete and unwavering support by his political kin for the mindset that forbid advancement by anyone unless it could be accessed by everyone.
Those same kin played into the shipping families' hands very well for generations.
I'm sure he well remembers the debate to control canola?
I'm speaking to the general industry mindset nursed by a few.
I'm sure he grew up as I did being forcefully told that the earth was flat and threatened not to commit heresy.

Ya, what I thought. You didn't.

[malleefarmer]

The big difference between Australia and Canada we had deregulated domestic market for at least 15 years before the export market became deregulated so we had lead in period. And we had cash prices for those 15 years pools could only compete in rising markets not falling or flat markets.

Exporters all knew it would happen eventually so they we positioning themselves logistically and with some infrastructure years before it happened.

Then In last I think 5 years the actual single desk allowed third party access to pools and sales as well so we had a quasi single desk.

If AWB played there cards right instead of being dogmatic they could have still had market share but didn't now as we know Cargill bought them out so we have Cargill/awb basically Cargill do cash and old awb still does pools with some cross subsidization I'm sure.

So we were kinda prepared wereas Canada almost went cold turkey.

The single desk in my opinion became redundant when globalization of grain markets occurred previously there were a awb cwb and usa major exporters but when black sea Ukraine Russia whatever became low cost supplier it all unravelled and could not continue Australia so called single desk premium for quality became a myth buyer wanted cheap grain and ability to blend up rather than pay top dollar for top quality and blend down if that makes sense.

The only real premium we had was blue ocean freight advantage into se asia, asia china and north Africa, nothing more nothing less.

Not having a crack at grass farmer persay not sure if he grows grain but he does beef, don't know your first name grassy but would you sell your beef in a pooling arrangement with a lot of other proiducers or prefer your direct to customers premium which I think you do.

Example this year here in aust malt barley has fallen from around 230 port to I think 170 port a lot of single deskers were prepared to put malt barley in a pool here in aust they still function and serve a purpose for those who wish to use them but have inflated figures and smoke and mirrors well guess what current malt estimate is 180 port they have a 30% first payment with no guaranteed date of second payment or pool wind up 18 months away I guess but if maly rallies they could be in the money, crikeys I just saw a flying pig go past my window

[blackpowder]

OK, switching to whiskey. Grassfarmer dictating _ _ _ history is like me postulating on William Wallace. False news.
The real traitors are Integrity Farmer, chuckchuck etc. Born here and yet wearing the bedsheets. Rewriting history.

Dont know Oz history at all. Did you have a remnant of the post 1st war communist movement guide legislation that lasted 80 years??


Denial of culpability allows all sorts of self absolution. Admit to one oz of blame and see true light.

We live by the sword. These people deny it. Pursuing the whale yet not answering to it.

[blackpowder]

Another study might be the cause and effect of the vast difference in commercial storage capacity between Canada, US and Australia.

[Braveheart]

Party on Blackpowder. But you should have pointed out the false news from Grassfarmer as he misled Mallee. The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up". Instead of many buyers, or a few buyers (however you count) there was only one. Of course thereafter, like the Highlander movie, the cry was, "There can be only one".

Grassfarmer's team always leaves the impression they marched in the street for a wheat board. If they had, they'd have been mistaken for homeless people, and no Canadian government has ever paid attention to the homeless.

[grassfarmer]

The CWB was set up by Liberal cabinet minister Mitchell Sharpe as a war measure. In 1942-43 wheat was vital to the war effort and to ensure supplies and keep a lid on prices, the wheat board was "set up".

Fact or fiction?

From Wikipedia "The Canadian Wheat Board was a marketing board for wheat and barley in Western Canada. Established by the Parliament of Canada on 5 July 1935, its operation was governed by the Canadian Wheat Board Act..." ."

Which war was going on in 1935 that Canada was involved in?

[chuckChuck]

Canpotex
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canpotex Limited Canpotex
Type Private
Industry Exporting and marketing
Founded 1970
Headquarters Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
Area served Worldwide
Key people Bill Doyle Chairman
Products Potash
Owner Agrium, The Mosaic Company, and Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan
Number of employees 88 (2009)
Website www.canpotex.com

Canpotex, short for Canadian Potash Exporters (reporting mark PTEX), is a Canadian potash exporting and marketing firm, incorporated in 1970 and operating since 1972.[1] Based in Saskatchewan, Canpotex manages the entire Saskatchewan potash exporting industry (excluding Canadian and US sales), including transportation and delivery.[2] It has been criticized as a "cartel".[3]

Canpotex is the world's largest exporter of potash, selling over nine million tonnes of potash in 2008,[1] representing about one-third of global capacity.[4][5] The global potash market was considered a duopoly between Canpotex and Belarusian Potash Company (BPC), a similar consortium which exported Belarusian (Belaruskali) and Russian potash (Uralkali); until the BPC marketing venture failed in 2013, the two collectively controlled 70% of global potash exports.[6]

Contents

1 Member producers
2 Facilities
3 Ships
4 References

Member producers

Canpotex is wholly owned by its three member producers:[1][5]

Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan (PotashCorp) — 51% of potash exported
The Mosaic Company — 39%
Agrium — 10%

[chuckChuck]

So how is it that Canpotex is allowed to act as a single desk seller for 3 potash mining companies in Saskatchewan? Obviously 3 independent sellers see advantages to selling under a single desk. Brad Wall was concerned about losing the pricing advantage of Canpotex and the resulting lower royalities. Hmmmm? How could Brad Wall be in favour of a single desk for Potash? Isn't the free market the only way to sell saskatchewan commodities?

[bucket]

Canpotex and the members operate in a collusionary system that government approves.

The members of canpotex all agree to produce so much.....


Get 50000 farmers to agree and you might have an basis to your theory.