Global warming and manufactured doubt Debate in peer-reviewed science about human-ind

[furrowtickler]

Dml - lol nope
Just one particular view point that made sense caught my eye is all .

[mustardman]

Looks like 'natural News ' has been delisted by Google due to it being false news ..

What gong show web site are you looking for now boys.... oh the Flat earth Society is still running lol

[chuckChuck]

Here is one of many agriville posters favorite climate change denial myths debunked.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period.htm

Climate Myth...

Climate's changed before
Climate is always changing. We have had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a hundred thousand year cycle for the last 700 thousand years, and there have been previous periods that appear to have been warmer than the present despite CO2 levels being lower than they are now. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. (Richard Lindzen)

Greenhouse gasses – mainly CO2, but also methane – were involved in most of the climate changes in Earth’s past. When they were reduced, the global climate became colder. When they were increased, the global climate became warmer. When CO2 levels jumped rapidly, the global warming that resulted was highly disruptive and sometimes caused mass extinctions. Humans today are emitting prodigious quantities of CO2, at a rate faster than even the most destructive climate changes in earth's past.
Abrupt vs slow change.

Life flourished in the Eocene, the Cretaceous and other times of high CO2 in the atmosphere because the greenhouse gasses were in balance with the carbon in the oceans and the weathering of rocks. Life, ocean chemistry, and atmospheric gasses had millions of years to adjust to those levels.

Lush Eocene Arctic 50 million years ago

Lush life in the Arctic during the Eocene, 50 million years ago (original art - Stephen C. Quinn, The American Museum of Natural History, N.Y.C)


But there have been several times in Earth’s past when Earth's temperature jumped abruptly, in much the same way as they are doing today. Those times were caused by large and rapid greenhouse gas emissions, just like humans are causing today.

Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change.

So yes, the climate has changed before humans, and in most cases scientists know why. In all cases we see the same association between CO2 levels and global temperatures. And past examples of rapid carbon emissions (just like today) were generally highly destructive to life on Earth.

Basic rebuttal written by howardlee

[chuckChuck]

We can't count on arguments based in peer reviewed science to persuade those who who don't believe in science. We are now in era where lies and fake news are believed by a large percentage of the population.

[furrowtickler]

Climate gate and MSM have lost a lot of credibility on any climate change issues

[fjlip]

"Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change."

And what does COLDER DO? like everything DIES! Nobody wants it COLDER in Canada.
All smiling happy faces/ comments on National last night where temps are record warm!

[mustardman]

"Those abrupt global warming events were almost always highly destructive for life, causing mass extinctions such as at the end of the Permian, Triassic, or even mid-Cambrian periods. The symptoms from those events (a big, rapid jump in global temperatures, rising sea levels, and ocean acidification) are all happening today with human-caused climate change."

And what does COLDER DO? like everything DIES! Nobody wants it COLDER in Canada.
All smiling happy faces/ comments on National last night where temps are record warm!

Ever heard of pine beetles or zika virus or west Nile or Lyme disease ? All spreading into Canada Due to a Warmer Climate.

[mustardman]

All zika cases have come from Travelling to infected areas . But we Never used to have West Nile either but we do now

[furrowtickler]

Well I hope in a way you climate changing , global warming fanatics are right - I am sick of August frosts .
August 29th 2016 ...
oh ya and it snowed it North Africa last month.
Be interesting to have a time machine and go foreward 10 years and see where this all ends up.

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[sumdumguy]

Every other day we hear the Global Too Warmers crying about the disappearing arctic ice, but it is frozen over. Those were shipping routes with open water 100 years ago. What gives?

[oneoff]

Well pure water freezes at 32 degrees F; and much below that hibernation and slowing metabolism seems to be the main choices.

Oh sure you can flock to a warmer climate and call it a holiday. But somebody needs to tend the home fires unless the plan is to abandon ship.

What the majority seems to fail to realize is that access to essential services outside the cities equally applies to city residents on occassion. The preferred destinations that will end up as death traps for overcrowded, non food producing cities that will fail without supplies from the country sides.

That will be realized when those city dwellers might find themselves stuck in a snowbank (during a blizzard etc); without any essential services a dozen hours into nowhere. But I guess they should have flown, and thats just what is done by those who might soon show up for work once a week..

[dmlfarmer]

Every other day we hear the Global Too Warmers crying about the disappearing arctic ice, but it is frozen over. Those were shipping routes with open water 100 years ago. What gives?

Proof please.

Until then I will believe sat photos of disappearing ice and credible information such as yesterdays article in NYT stating "Arctic’s Winter Sea Ice Drops to Its Lowest Recorded Level"[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/climate/arctic-winter-sea-ice-record-low-global-warming.html?emc=edit_th_20170323&nl=todaysheadlin es&nlid=50975083"]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/22/climate/arctic-winter-sea-ice-record-low-global-warming.html?emc=edit_th_20170323&nl=todaysheadlin es&nlid=50975083[/URL]

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Quite interesting, a spammer resurrects a month dead thread, and everyone carries on the arguement as if it never stopped to start with. And as far as I can tell, no one seems to have convinced anyone else to change their mind yet..........