Our Pm has a plan and its a Bad Bad Plan!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Some farmers around here are needing the discouragement of a carbon tax. Neighbours have had thousands of HP burning diesel for 2 weeks cutting trees, burying them in a huge excavated hole then burning them - all to get another 20 acres of poor soil into cultivation.

The world needs more of my cows Checking not less, the type of agriculture we are engaged in is the only way the world can reduce C02 emissions to pre-industrial age levels.

Be careful what you wish for grassfarmer, returning CO2 to pre-industrial age levels will have significant negative effect on crop/grass yields and drought tolerance. While the debate rages on regarding the possible greenhouse effect and what the net effect might be, whether positive or negative, the fact that plants perform better with elevated CO2 levels is provable and well documented.

[Braveheart]

I would prefer incentives for carbon sequestration vs tax/penalization approach. There is a lot of marginal or wasteland that could have trees planted. Perennial forage is another carbon sink. Rebates for geothermal, solar panels, etc. It seems that Chuckles and Mustard would prefer the heavy hand of government penalties like the Trudeau Libs. Next step will likely be a Gulag to exile SF3 and any other climate change deniers to.

[grassfarmer]

No,no, no.

The world needs less animal based protein because it is a hog (pun intended) on its greenhouse gas emissions to produce that kg of meat compared to the O2 positives of plant based protein.

Ah, so that's why god told Joseph to built the pyramids to store grain in, lol!

Be careful what you wish for grassfarmer, returning CO2 to pre-industrial age levels will have significant negative effect on crop/grass yields and drought tolerance. While the debate rages on regarding the possible greenhouse effect and what the net effect might be, whether positive or negative, the fact that plants perform better with elevated CO2 levels is provable and well documented.

Not according to the New Scientist.
[URL="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11655-climate-myths-higher-co2-levels-will-boost-plant-growth-and-food-production/"]http://https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11655-climate-myths-higher-co2-levels-will-boost-plant-growth-and-food-production/[/URL]

I would prefer incentives for carbon sequestration vs tax/penalization approach. There is a lot of marginal or wasteland that could have trees planted.

For sure incentives are worth a look - but we've got to stop the people burning fossil fuel to turn marginal land and trees into more grain land in this day and age that just makes no sense.

[ajl]

Everybody thinks the others guys land is marginal land and should be taken out of production.

[greybeard]

These are the places that need the carbon tax.
Take a close look at the left coast.
Compare it to light emitted in your local.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=world night map&tbm=isch&imgil=o6sBlhky9YpPhM%253A%253BrZaFv5z NMsKH

I hope we get great satisfaction pumping that DEF into that equipment when not another person is in sight.
Liberal logic.
Alta-boy Justin.
Line up for your boy scout badge!

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[grassfarmer]

Everybody thinks the others guys land is marginal land and should be taken out of production.

When it's an H on the A-J scale I think that would be considered by most to be marginal.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

http://https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11655-climate-myths-higher-co2-levels-will-boost-plant-growth-and-food-production/[/URL]

The article definitely does acknowledge the yeild and drought tolerance benefits to plants with increased CO2. Not sure how this refutes my statement?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

When it's an H on the A-J scale I think that would be considered by most to be marginal.

Funny thing about marginal land, all of the best land was the first broke, by my time all that was left unbroke was what had been considered the poorest ground. But because previous generations had ****d and pillaged the good ground so long, while the cattle fertilized the marginal ground and nature looked after it, the opposite is now true. Now, I break the marginal ground and it is by far the best. And I intend look after it to keep it that way too. Some just takes a little more work due to other limitations.

[15444]

Was someone told that Ag would be exempt from the carbon tax? Because the Ontario Liberals are fighting hard to have any exemptions at all stripped from Ag in this province - starting with off road fuel. And you know how cozy Drama Boy and the Dyke are with each other. If he is like his prick of an old man, he'll make Ag pay big-time.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Was someone told that Ag would be exempt from the carbon tax? Because the Ontario Liberals are fighting hard to have any exemptions at all stripped from Ag in this province - starting with off road fuel. And you know how cozy Drama Boy and the Dyke are with each other. If he is like his prick of an old man, he'll make Ag pay big-time.

If the purpose is to transfer wealth from west to east, then it is safe to say Ag would not be exempt.