A little note to the agrium dealers?

[dave4441]

Can someone please explain to me how tillage makes sense today at $8/l glyphosate, but did not make sense 7 or 8 years ago when we were happy to pay $8/L, instead of $10. I bought glphosate in the US at CDN $3.30/L a couple years ago and have completely missed the boat on this year's price increases, but I still say it sucks but can not see tillage helping my situation. I also can not see increasing my SMF acres as a way to reduce fertilizer costs, because my overall revenue/farm would fall in half. You still have to have a balanced approach to the issue. I do realize though that my first 20 bu of stubble durum may have to pay the fert bill and that is also a scary thought, but still say it may be better then getting minus 50-75 dollars on half my acres. Increase pulse acres too much and we will be at 10 cent lentils.

[GrainBeetle]

Furrow: you said, "BTW, the Huts did not work out this deal, it came to them - think about that". This doesnt take much thinking, why did the offer go to the hutts, and not you? They work in large groups, develop critical mass, for the betterment of their communities.

As for the price of N and P, so long as wheat stays above 6$, and canola above $8.25, I can still make a profit at $1400 Nh3 and $1850 p205.

Summerfallow is too expensive for me.

[Fransisco]

And the Hut's don't have to put a gun against anyone's head to do it either. They work together on a <b>VOLUNTARY</b> basis. It doesn't take much thinking to figure that one out either.

Funny how you missed it though grainbeetle.

[furrowtickler]

Grain Beetle you missed my point. It does not matter who, what, where. The thing is when, after we have been told here in north America that China and India are sucking fert out of here so we must pay more. I said a loang time ago that this was bogus, and now I know I was right

[agstar77]

What a joke!! We are told world wide demand has raised fert prices, now China is selling fertilizer they supposedly need!!

[GrainBeetle]

Franny: I guess I struck a nerve..... sounds like you're a little jealous of the hutterites and their mega barns, and mega-efficient operations.

You can probably only dream about so much stinky s--t to spread on your limited acres.
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[GrainBeetle]

Furrow, I somewhat agree.

[just_wondering]

from link in pioneer hybrids website.
Lower urea prices spur hopes for cheaper fertilizer
Weekly Fertilizer Review for Sept.25,2008
With world markets in relative disarray, there are signs fertilizer prices could be softening after their run to record levels during the summer.
Urea has seen the biggest price break so far, with Black Sea prices off more than $70 a ton in the last two weeks. Black Sea urea is quoted at around $650. Prices at the Gulf were still reported above $700 last week, but there was a report of a sale at $625 this week. December forward prices out of the Black Sea are indicated about $50 lower.
Ammonia prices dropped about $10 a ton out of the Black Sea last week, but held steady in Tampa at around $845 a ton. December shipments are offered about $85 cheaper than current prices out of the Black Sea, where many international shipments originate.
DAP prices also could be headed lower. A cargo out of Tunisia reportedly sold for around $970 this week, with December offers at the Gulf around $875 a ton.
Potash appears to be the strongest of the fertilizer markets right now, with prices holding steady. That’s in part due to ongoing strikes against the Potash Corp. Product was quoted around $800 a ton in Europe this week.
Natural gas supplies in storage rose by only 51 billion cubic feet in the latest week, less than the 62 bcf anticipated by the trade. That helped prices for natural gas, the primary feed stock for nitrogen based fertilizers, move off session lows this morning, though the market is struggling due to inability to hold above $8.

[just_wondering]

Why would the Chinese sell at below market values?


just got back final settlement from FNA my payment was about $5.00 tonne off of local values when I booked
product was excellent although I did worry quite a bit if it was going to make it before seeding.
Average discount was apparently $13.00
I guess they had a supplier walk away from them mid deal as well as other logistical hurdles and refund was not as high as they had hoped.
All in all I don't think I will deal with them on fert again until they get the kinks worked out.

[Fransisco]

No, I'm not jealous of the Hut's, I actually admire their leave us alone to live our own lives attitude. I'm annoyed that other farmers such as yourself, grainbeetle, don't share the same value.