Only three...count em...three responses

[oneoff]

joedales posted Apr 29, 2016 22:34
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Coexistence Plan for Alfalfa Hay in Western Canada now available.

Canadian Seed Trade Association News

Ottawa: April 29, 2016 – Following extensive consultation with stakeholders along the alfalfa hay production chain in Western Canada, a Coexistence Plan for Alfalfa Hay in Western Canada is now available.

Recognizing that GM development of alfalfa and other crop kinds will continue, the Canadian Seed Trade Association (CSTA) agreed to facilitate a value chain process to develop a coexistence plan for conventional, organic and GM alfalfa production, first in Eastern Canada in 2013, and now in Western Canada.

Many experts contributed to the development of the Western coexistence plan and voluntary Best Management Practices (BMP’s), including forage specialists, alfalfa producers, seed companies and honey producers. The group reviewed the biology of alfalfa in Canada and alfalfa hay production systems, and tailored the BMP’s to the specific needs of Western Canada. The plan does not advocate for or against the commercialization of GM alfalfa, or favor any one system. The result is a science-based document designed to help farmers understand and incorporate the voluntary BMP’s into their crop management system, whether conventional, organic or GM.

“CSTA is happy to have facilitated this meaningful stakeholder process,” said Scott Horner, CSTA president. “With stakeholder cooperation, solutions to help producers be successful with the system that best fits their needs can be found. We encourage everyone to view the Plan as an important component of successful alfalfa hay production in Western Canada.”

The Coexistence Plan for Alfalfa Hay in Western Canada, containing background on alfalfa production systems in Western Canada, the principles of coexistence, and Best Management Practices can be found at [URL="http://www.cdnseed.org"]http://www.cdnseed.org[/URL].
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wilagro posted Apr 30, 2016 14:04
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In other words...Monsanto and all the other GMO alfalfa producers have WON and the conventional alfalfa producers will be faced with GMO traits showing up in their varieties.
Another cop-out, sell-out screw the farmer plan. There is no end to this BS.
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caseih posted Apr 30, 2016 14:38
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yea i don't understand who wants this shit ? certainly not alfalfa seed buyers ? at the risk of being called an idiot by some on here , can't call it a super weed , but it sure is gonna be a bitch of a weed ! we grow seed alfalfa , I sure don't want it and it will limit our market opportunities . next thing rammed down our throat will be rr flax . don't know why they can't leave some shit alone ????
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hobbyfrmr posted Apr 30, 2016 15:23
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This is bad. Coexistence untill a deer walks across a rr alfalfa field into a non gmo field. Good bye purity forever. Its all about controlling the farmer and making them pay for the technology. Plus, this will put a severe dent in demand for hay from western Canada.
When I started organic farming the OCIA Canada group was vehemently against RR canola. I was too ignorant to understand their reasoning. Every year it becomes more clear. Industry will impose/"accidentally" release their technology on the farmers and they will pay for all of it. Canola, alfalfa, soybeans, corn. Wheat is next , pulses, then oats.
Look how well it is going for Canola. That is some sweet return on investment. The benefits are efficient profitable production of high volumes of canola that feeds the world. AND the risk is all on the farmer. Thats pretty sweet. Just ask Input Capital Corp.

[oneoff]

Apparently not a big deal

I wonder how many ever got to the stage of reading the protocol.

The answer could be zero people even interested in knowing the science based rules.

And I'm going for what has been decided by the industry; what is within the law; and is considerered and approved as best practice and science based.

Is there really any more to such a story. I think not. All the extra fallout should have no standing at any level. The past has proven that beyond any doubt; and only those that say

QUOTE Just because its legal doesn't mean you should be allowed to do it UNQUOTE

are the ones who don't have their heads put on straight in a democratic country.

[oneoff]

Well its over 10 MB......its 26 pages and its here



http://cdnseed.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CSTA_CoExist_brochure_West_April-29.pdf

Now has anyone yet read it.....just wondering

[wilagro]

Pretty sure its well paid for propaganda. I could read the stars and it would do just about as much good as reading the "defence" against the anti GMO forces in advance of any squawking.
You have to hand to these guys...they do their homework and are ready.

[sumdumguy]

Harper's Ag Canada still moving forward. They need a change of guard and fast.

[Guest]

triffid flax was a real success story . not. I don't give a shit about gmo's or no gmo's . we grow alfalfa seed with lots of chem. and we don't need this shit . the higher the seed production the less well get for it ? simple math .just another way to lose markets . they're not doing it for us

[Guest]

and a lot more than three responses , go back and count them on your fingers

[Guest]

and it is a big deal to me , I grow alfalfa seed , do you ? to each his own

[hobbyfrmr]

Gmo alfalfa will definitely have a negative effect on export markets. Industry is imposing its technology on primary producers very much like the triffid flax. The primary producers took the financial brunt of that fiasco. Russia and the Ukraine have not sent a thank you card for the market share we gave them. There is dairy products, fodder exports, seed exports, bee exports, ruminate animal products like beef and lamb (?) exports. Anything to drop the price and buy it cheap. This would be a very good excuse.

[oneoff]

I still count only three unique responses to joedales reporting of a Western Canada GMO alfalfa introduction guidelines. approx Apr.29/2016

What case is probably referring to are those who responded to an agriville post a couple weeks later in regards a customizable prepared response to easily (and if desired thoughtlessly) send off a form letter to some federal politicians.

NO where did I see in any of those responses (some 34 ish) a link to the 26 page document.


I would think it would behoove any truly concerned person to know a bit about what they are endorsing before sending off any letter to anyone.

Again has anyone even perused the protocol document?? Certainly not saying I agree with any of the document; but at least I read some of it.

[Guest]

well the reason is because it is a waste of time reading , responding or anything else . same as upov91 , they ram all this shit through . we have nothing to say . but who paid for the triffid flax **** up . we paid and had sfa to do with it . I like the GMO canola we have now , but the world and the market does not want anymore . that's all I know at this point.

[Guest]

oh and they kept alfalfa seed price down for 10 years in the late 90's and early 00's because of JUST THE THREAT OF this shit coming on the market and told us there was huge inventories of it waiting to go on the market in the US . I don't need to read that shit , I lived it

[chuckChuck]

Where is the business case for GM alfalfa? Why are industry players allowed to release gm crops without a full market impact analysis? GM alfalfa will show a strong negative impact because the benefits are so small for very few and the market loss high for many.

Allowing single players to come in and cause considerable market damage because they can make a buck for them selves is very short sighted.

If any single business did this to themselves they would fire the CEO and the Board of Directors for incompetence.

This is the heighht of stupidity.

Farmers should consider lining up a class action lawsuit for the economic harm this will cause.

[checking]

If you just would have policed your industry, and not just sell any inseparable shit out the door, just think how much support you would have.

[oneoff]

The biggest irony in calling for a farmer class action suit is that some of the contributing factors in widespread harm are often precipitated by those who call for monetary damages.

If there were no compelling reasons for the advantages of the product...not one pound would be sold. Thus no need to be discussing court action.

Just as with the demise of the CWB because of the real and perceived arbitrary administration that favored certain regions; certain classes of farmers and types of production methods and denied competition which with the touted advantages should have made both competitors stronger.

Without widespread support; its a futile battle to call for class action suits.

There are now about 7 unique responders to the GM protocol. Its becoming evident that not one of that puny number has read the protocol in its entirety. And the vast majority will never hear of the problem; and certainly never read what the discussion is about.
Everyone Myself included) has done more harm than good in attacking support amongst the mainstream farmers who repeatedly demonstrate that only a handful will ever support any worthy cause that does not strike directly to the heart of their present operational situations.

And for that reason I have some time ago concluded that only a group of maybe 2 to 4 people whose word you would trust with your life should be involved in any fight.

Larger numbers almost surely contain the odd saboteur; or person(s) who would split from the consensus arrived by the group for the purpose of using information for their addition gain. Or someone not truthful in maintaining the sanctity of discussions agreed to remain privileged. What such traitors will never realize is the damage they may created to the rest of the group; and more importantly fail to ever see how trust is forever lost when support is need for the next fight. The JUST Gathering information trick after the group concensus was reached though fully democratic processes reached is a traitorous act and can not be forgiven.

I suggest that before anyone join a class action such as now called for; closely investigate past behavior of the other members with whom you may join forces.

The prospect of succeeding when it is not arguable that roundup ready events have been approved in all of Canada for decades is also very important. And with the suspect (and sometimes outright bogus science published as fact) reportedly and seemingly designed to ban every chemical herbicide (and insecticide and seed treatment) maybe less total harm will be done if Monsanto continues to have it way at regulatory levels.

The alternative may be more scary...and with the current momentum; all consumers need is a label that no animal was harmed and nothing was added.