Is this remotely correct

[malleefarmer]

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/

[cottonpicken]

Oh hell yes. Talked to lots of Americans. It's the no ****in around Crüe that will burn the government to the ground if they go to far. There is like 8-10 million of them. And they are not in a good mood. Within the decade the states will split up.

[Oliver88]

It sounds like these ranchers have been dealing with an EXTREMELY corrupt FWS and BLM for several decades, this explains the actions taken by the ranchers.

In my opinion with all the debt obligations the US has the best thing they could do is sell most of this government owned land to ranchers who would utilize it properly......instead of creating "Indian "Reserves" without Indians.

[Guest]

everyone needs to take a long hard look at "WHO" is creating wealth . it's pretty obvious here who was in this case . now it's just an empty park waiting for the heat to be gone so they can go after whatever is under the ground without a public outcry . I think they missed the boat and really is going to backfire on this one . some govt people might have to answer some hard questions

[furrowtickler]

Exactly case IH 👍 There is a very big *** in reason the governments are slowly grab in land - it's not rocket science .

[TOM4CWB]

What is making many very upset... is the Feds implemented Double Jeopardy

The Hammonds served the first sentences of 3 months and 1 year respectively... then according to PBR I listened to on satellite... The feds recharged them with extended sentences from Terrorist legislation that came out of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

The US Feds are after the Hammond ranch... and want to take it away to add to the 200,000ac reserve they now control. Hammonds actually helped set up the nature preserve... in the 70's and 80's... according to the radio report... which was over an hour long.

One of the children are reported as testifying the Grandpa said throw matches out and burn it... which got the Hammond Dad and Son the arson charges in the first place.

The Bundies [from Nevada] are upset because of the apparent federal 'double jeopardy' convictions... and felt this latest take over of the empty fed buildings 30 miles from town... was the best option left to expose the Feds for sinister convictions of the Hammonds... according to a number interviewed... on PBR... all of whom all wanted no violence.

[TOM4CWB]

"DTN NEWS
Delicate Response in Oregon Standoff
Tue Jan 5, 2016 06:55 AM CST
BURNS, Ore. (AP) -- The armed activists who flocked to a remote wildlife refuge to take a stand against the federal government also looked prepared for a nippy day of hunting or fishing.

They were bundled in camouflage, plaid shirts, ear muffs and cowboy hats in the bleak, snow-covered high desert of eastern Oregon where they seemed more likely to encounter a bird or animal than a member of the public outside their own group or the throng of news media beyond the pickup trucks blocking the entrance to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

That may be one of the main reasons law enforcement hadn't taken action Monday against the group numbering close to two dozen who were upset about the imprisonment of father-and-son ranchers who set fire to federal land.

"These guys are out in the middle of nowhere, and they haven't threatened anybody that I know of," said Jim Glennon, a longtime police commander who now owns the Illinois-based law enforcement training organization Calibre Press. "There's no hurry. If there's not an immediate threat to anyone's life, why create a situation where there would be?"

Schools were closed for the week in Burns, about 30 miles north of the refuge, out of an abundance of caution, but no one had been hurt and no one was being held hostage on Monday.

The takeover puts federal officials in a delicate position of deciding whether to confront the occupiers, risking bloodshed, or stand back and possibly embolden others to directly confront the government.

The activists seized the refuge about 300 miles from Portland on Saturday night as part of a decades-long fight over public lands in the West.

The armed group said it wants an inquiry into whether the government is forcing ranchers off their land after Dwight Hammond and his son, Steven, reported back to prison Monday.

The Hammonds were convicted of arson three years ago for fires on federal land in 2001 and 2006, one of which was set to cover up deer poaching, according to prosecutors. The men served no more than a year until an appeals court judge ruled the terms fell short of minimum sentences that require them to serve about four more years.

Their sentences were a rallying cry for the group calling itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom, whose mostly male members said they want federal lands turned over to local authorities so people can use them free of U.S. oversight.

The group — led by two of the sons of rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a 2014 Nevada standoff with the government over grazing rights — sent a demand for "redress for grievances" to local, state and federal officials.

"We have exhausted all prudent measures and have been ignored," Ammon Bundy said.

The group, which included a couple of women and some boys and girls Monday, did not release a copy of its demands and Ammon Bundy would not say what the group would do if it got no response.

President Barack Obama said Monday federal authorities were monitoring the situation, but agents made no apparent moves to surround the property or confront the group — an approach that reflected lessons learned from bloody standoffs at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, in the early 1990s.

That prompted complaints from many observers who suggested the government's response would have been swifter and more severe had the occupants been Muslim or other minorities.

"There seems to be somewhat of a reluctance to think white people are as dangerous as people of color," said Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

Beirich said the group was emboldened by the government's failure to hold Cliven Bundy or his supporters accountable in 2014 after hundreds of armed anti-government activists rallied to his defense when federal authorities started seizing his cattle over more than $1 million in unpaid grazing fees.

Michael Barkun, an emeritus professor at Syracuse University who has studied extremist groups, said not confronting the Oregon group could embolden others.

"You can say, well, a negotiated settlement emboldens them," he said. "But by the same token it deprives them of a confrontation that some of them want."

The Hammonds have distanced themselves from the protest group and many locals, including people who want to see federal lands made more accessible, don't want the activists here, fearing they may bring trouble.

Seeds of the dispute date back decades in the West, where the federal government owns about half of all land.

In the 1970s, Nevada and other states pushed for local control over federal land in what was known as the "Sagebrush Rebellion."

Supporters wanted more land for cattle grazing, mining and timber harvesting and opponents wanted federal government to administer lands for the widest possible uses, including environmental and recreational.

The refuge established in 1908 by President Theodore Roosevelt to protect birds from hunters selling plumes to the hat industry has expanded to 300 square miles over the years.

The valley rimmed by distant mountains contains lakes and marshland and now surrounds the ranch Dwight Hammond bought with his father in 1964.

Hammond said his family resisted pressure to sell the ranch as the federal government chipped away at his grazing allotments and increased fees on other lands.

Ammon Bundy said the group plans to stay at the refuge as long as it takes."

[tmyrfield]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T424sWq1SkE

[TOM4CWB]

The Feds sure look way over the line...

Nice explanation of what SHOULD make the USA the great nation it always has been...

God Bless the United States of America!

[burnt]

The problem of government overreach is not limited to Oregon and the Hammonds or Nevada and the Bundys.

Similar abuses of power exist wherever an elected or non-elected special interest group retains the ability to make, interpret and enforce regulations without the consent of the people.

Here in Ontario we have Conservation Authorities (CAs), provincially mandated, which have taken broad powers to restrict the use of lands that they deem necessary to "protect" waterways and aquifers.

For example, the CAs have assumed control of what they call wetlands as well as a 120 meter "buffer" strip around or along it, often encompassing thousands of acres.

So if there is a wetland on your property, they claim control over whatever activity happens on that strip, effectively shutting down any development or changes made to that land.

Now the CAs are trying to expand that perimeter to 250 meters, severely restricting any development on farms and/or built-up areas around a wetland.

Surprise - many farmers and municipalities are rebelling! And where do the CAs get their funding - none other than the municipalities.

The CAs have caused so many restrictions on development that there are now municipalities which are considering cutting or withholding funding to the CAs because of the loss of legitimate tax revenues experienced by the municipalities.

(The CAs are saying "Give us more money so we can hire more people to process your requests faster". Yeah right, that's going to make it better!)

The CAs did not get this power overnight - they slowly and surreptitiously made change after change to their mandate and eventually became a defacto government in their own right.

They made the rules, interpret the rules and enforce them with fines and intimidation - what could go wrong?

There is increasing resistance to this tyranny but few individuals have the resources to persist in taking them on.

In one example here in southern Ontario, a private individual successfully took them to court over restrictions that they placed on his property and won, but has subsequently gone broke and lost his holdings because the CA keeps on (unsuccessfully) appealing the court's decision (3x).

So it should come as no surprise when a Bundy or a Hammond make headlines by standing up for their rights in similar circumstances.

A significant footnote to the Hammond situation - what does it suggest that the BLM made them sign an agreement - as part of a plea deal - which gave the feds first right of refusal should the Hammonds decide to sell their ranch?

How can anyone see this as other than what it is - a flat out abuse of power?

[mustardman]

Homegrown Terrorism
Biggest threat US faces with all these right wing militia WINGNUTS

[TSIPP]

mustard, why don't you pluck your head out of your ass and look around at what's happening???

[TOM4CWB]

DTN
Oregon Ranchers Drew Heavy Support 1/5/2016 4:02PM
Oregon Farm Leaders Back Jailed Ranchers, But Oppose Takeover of Wildlife Refuge
Oregon's leading farm and cattlemen's groups strongly support the two ranchers who reported to federal prison on Monday and want them freed from custody. But the Oregon Farm Bureau Federation and Oregon Cattlemen's Association don't support the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

[mustardman]

Tsipp. Funny just finished listening to homeland security expert and guess what...
US had spent billion on outside threats

But nothing on Non Muslim Homegrown Threats
Like white Supremacist anti government NRA supporting militia.

Sorry to spoil your bandwagon Tsipp but sometimes the FACTS get in the way of Conservative arguments

[TSIPP]

conservative arguments have nothing to do with it, its the all about knowing the difference between right or wrong!