Get ready to tear this one apart boys...

[pourfarmer]

wd9, The farmer isnt the evil one. at
all. he is producing a crop that
supports his farm and the consumer wants
(uninformed consumer imo). I like this
line from the President of the american
corn growers association:

You have to understand that we
farmers... we're gonna deliver to the
marketplace what the marketplace
demands. If you wanna buy $2 milk,
you're going to get a factoryfarm in
your backyard. It's that simple. People
have got to start *demanding* good,
wholesome food of us, and we'll deliver;
I promise you. We're very ingenious
people, we will deliver.

[wd9]

That is awesome you grow what you want
how you want. So neither you nor i is
controlled in any way what we grow.

I just wish the organic industry would
stop bashing conventional ag without
proof, making up studies, and assuming
their product is better. Neither is
better. Both have good and bad points
and in the end is the same.

At not quite 4% of the market, can the
organic industry afford to be looked
upon as selling the product at all cost
to reputation and truth?

[pourfarmer]

I am not sure what you're asking
exactly, stupid farmer here.

But if your asking can organic ag
survive without these so called 'bogus
studies'? Absolutely, that 4% are the
people that dont bitch about how much a
loaf bread costs. They would rather buy
a loaf of organic bread that costs twice
as much and not be able to afford a 55"
tv or new duramax. They wont change
their minds, like i wont change mine,
and you wont change yours.

[ColevilleH2S]

The organic industry is not exactly
thriving on the prairies. Acres are way
down from a few years ago.

[wd9]

I'm asking if the organic marketing
voices like Kaiser with so many lies and
bad studies trying to sell conventional
ag as dangerous and unhealthy, yet are
safe, will greatly hurt the organic
industry because no one trusts an
industry with a chronic deceit issue. It
may just be bad for everyone.

Pourfarmer, is this a good path for the
organic industry to keep heading down?

[pourfarmer]

I could ask the same of the conventional
guys that go around spouting "the world
would starve without conventional ag".
While I may not agree with the way
rkasier expresses himself I do feel he
has merit and is citing legit material.
My grandpa used to say 'it takes all
kinds', not everyone could share your
idealistic views of a world that is in
the safe hands of bio tech companys out
to save the world form starvation..

On to the other comment...
I believe 'certified organic' acres are
down due to the recent changes to
organic regulation in Canada, increases
in paper work, significant changes to
seed cleaning regulation, etc. I believe
there are as many, if not more,
'organic' acres out there today however
they have dropped there certification
and are selling to the 'naturally
produced' marketplace as opposed to the
'certified organic' market place. I've
looked into it myself.