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    The editor of the grain market newsletter Profarmer says the days of the traditional grain pool are

    Pooling... where is it going?


    Copyright 2013 Australian Broadcasting Corporation
    All Rights Reserved

    April 12, 2013 Friday 9:50 AM AEST

    Days of grain pool numbered
    The editor of the grain market newsletter Profarmer
    says the days of the traditional grain pool are
    numbered.

    Malcolm Batholomaeus says these pools are no longer
    appropriate in the current deregulated market, the
    pools consistently underperform and leave growers far
    too exposed to price falls after harvest.

    This follows grain marketing company Emerald's
    revelation that when its 2011/12 grain pool closes this
    month it will fall well short of expectations.

    The final value of the pool would have fallen by $30
    per tonne, which equates to millions of dollars in
    decreased equity.

    "In a regulated market operated by AWB pooling was
    quite a good option for growers to maximise returns
    on their grain, in fact when I used to look at the data
    on this it was only in drought years that selling for
    cash during harvest would outperform delivering to
    the AWB pool."

    "So they've had a very strong track record, it was a
    hedged pool, they used to provide protection for price
    falls after harvest as well as capture some of the price
    gains during that period. That's all changed since the
    market was deregulated."

    "We just haven't seen any of the pools since
    deregulation perform in the same way as AWB used to
    perform."

    "In part that's because we have far more operators so
    we have a large number of very small pools with small
    operators who may get it right or wrong. In a large
    pool a few crook trades can be averaged out across a
    large tonnage, in small pools it's not quite as flexible."

    "I think farmers who are still using pools haven't
    understood that the performance of pools has changed
    radically since the AWB days. I think when the market
    deregulated they said look we are not interested in
    marketing our grain we're not interested in putting the
    time or money into it we will buy a marketing product
    off the shelf for five or six dollars a tonne and place it
    in a pool. Unfortunately they haven't understood that
    the performance of pools has dropped dramatically
    and it's nowhere near what AWB used to achieve."

    "Traditional pools are no longer appropriate in the
    current market structure we have, the operators of
    traditional pools have tried to make them attractive to
    growers by bells and whistles like increments or pre
    commitment premiums and all this sort of stuff,
    doesn't make any difference they have still
    underperformed."

    "When a grower delivers to a pool they are actually
    handing over the risk management to someone who
    has no idea of the risk profile in your own farm
    business."

    He said the days of the traditional grain pool are
    numbered.

    "To be quite honest I really think they have to be
    numbered it's just not appropriate for an individual
    farm business to allow someone who has no
    knowledge of their business to manage the risk profile
    in the grain market for them."

    Josh Martin is the trading manager of Cargill Australia,
    one of the country's largest grain exporters.

    AWB is the farmer facing wholly owned subsidary of
    Cargill Australia.

    Josh Martin said pools are valuable marketing
    alternative for farmers as a part of a portfolio approach
    to marketing their grain.

    "What I would suggest to farmers and to growers
    across any region of Australia is to look at a traditional
    pool for what it is."

    "A traditional pool provides a longer dated exposure
    and you know Malcolm was referring to short dated
    pools, whether it's a traditional pool and we can define
    a traditional pool as let's say an 18 month timeframe
    or a non traditional pool which let's define as a shorter
    timeframe at six to eight months for example that will
    depend and heavily depend on the market dynamics of
    each year."

    "So to sit here and throw a blanket across traditional
    pools and say they have no value going forward I think
    is a complete gross exaggeration."

    #2
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-12/days-of-
    grain-pool-numbered/4625010

    I have to agree.

    If someone was wise enough to be able to predict the
    future... they would trade the market themselves.

    Mallee.... what do you think!

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      #3
      Of course Cargill would like to see "pools" disappear...gives them more power without them around and less bother with bookkeeping.

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        #4
        Willy,

        Did you read this?

        "Josh Martin is the trading manager of Cargill Australia, one of the country's largest grain exporters.

        AWB is the farmer facing wholly owned subsidary of
        Cargill Australia.

        Josh Martin said pools are valuable marketing alternative for farmers as a part of a portfolio approach to marketing their grain. "
        ""So to sit here and throw a blanket across traditional pools and say they have no value going forward I think is a complete gross exaggeration.""

        Who exactly do you think profits... Willy??????

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          #5
          pools are for swimming has been the
          sayiing here for the last 10 yrs since
          cash market opened up.

          this year harvest prices were a decile 8
          price meaning only 20% of years prices
          have been better ie drought induced
          inceases in basis, so it was a sell
          signal, those who pooled unfortunately
          have been caught in downdraft of falling
          prices.

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            #6
            further more with advent of warehousing
            grain in our bulk handling system its
            reasonably cheap to leave grain unsold
            end of march then prices for storage
            increase alot many farmers run there own
            pools at no cost except for interest
            lost and storage if one belives prices
            will rise.
            On farm storage is a option for those in
            domestic market awaiting price rises can
            be sold to endusers at harvest at a
            price and paid storage or leave it
            unsold its all choice
            at the moment on farm prices are as good
            as harvest highs

            and the cargill comment willagro has got
            it completly wrong cargill want grain
            pools its a massive money spinner for
            them in management fees etc for the
            pool,and once grain is the pool they can
            sell it for cash or market it in
            traditional pool way or domesticlly.

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              #7
              The article reads that Cargill agent is in favour of them controlling a pooling system for farmers. After all, who knows your business better? You,a Cargill buying Agent, or a pool manager trying to raise his family in a city 1200 kilometers away?

              If spot wheat prices, and futures prices become so low they are not profitable, you do not have to grow it. You can grow something else. I know, you might have to think a little, and plan a little differently. I know its a nuisance, all that "thinking" and "planning" for yourself.

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                #8
                Woowsers, yous marketeers were right all
                along. Ya'll should git tagether, line
                up front ta back and begin patting
                yerselves on the backs. The world is
                achangin ain't it, greed is good, grab
                what ya kin cousin soon you'll be worm
                food like ever one else. Golden rule,
                turns out ta be total unmittigated
                crappola after all. Everyone fer
                themselves, sink er swim, swim with the
                big boys, law of the jungle, dog eating
                dogs, hogs along the yukon, up yers, my
                way er the high way applies ta mankind.
                Bout time to cousin, who cares bout the
                starvin, theys always whinning and
                sniveling anways, eh fHenRitzie2!

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                  #9
                  As far as I am concerned all this pooling grain talk is all bullshit. If I hire someone much like Tom4cwb does to help me market grain. There is no difference. Let someone take control of my grain sales or hire someone to advise me. Or let myself wing it. I don't see much point in talking about if should have or would have. If someone will come forward with a good record I may give my grain sales to them. Of course if they **** up they are out of business.

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                    #10
                    Which reminds me a bit about FNA's letter to me lately about not buying from them and that they will not be able to continue if us members do not religiously without question buy from them. Not quite in them words but is what they said.

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                      #11
                      Burb,

                      This isn't about grower greed nor lack of cooperation.

                      Controlling managers need to have a direct grower
                      stake in a grain marketing pool... to have it be a long
                      run productive deal for those grain growers. Like
                      ProFarmer. 3rd party. Larry W provides good info... it is
                      the growers responsibility to price... basis averaging is
                      already a part of the marketing system presently... give
                      and take.... a pool in itself.

                      Cheers

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