Fertilizer Price why were getting screwed!

[SASKFARMER3]

here is some interesting facts.Currently many Midwest fertilizer dealers are pricing anhydrous well above the $550 per ton figure. Some fertilizer experts say retail anhydrous prices will continue to climb into spring, despite the fact that Reuters reports wholesale prices at the Gulf remain steady at around $300 per ton. Prices out of the Black Sea, a major exporting hub, fell for most of the fall, but turned higher recently.
Many surveyed expressed frustration at the current fertilizer situation. "Early pay in my area is already $650 per ton, and in-season (price) is unknown," said one farmer who responded to the poll. "All fertilizer prices are a complete rip-off," said another. "Everyone I have talk to is cutting back 10 to 20%, some even more on everything!" Still another said, "We can't justify the input cost!"

Now in dear old Canada its even fricking worse.

Viagra yesterday phoned to our farm spring delivery check right now .493 and we are 120kkm from belleplain.This will increase each week till Dec 30 th.
But here is an amazing fact Viagra has Canola now with -40 basis so Canola at below 9 yet gas at all time high.
Screw the farmer both ways.
I believe they want us to empty our bins now with Canola flax barley oats to pay for gas then in January or Feb when the price goes through the roof they will win on both price of Gas plus spread on Canola.
Watch Mayo and the boys finally announce a serious number for profit.
Its double dipping.
Problem is CWB on major crops grown in prairies Durum at 12 Vs world price 16, HRS world price 9.25 vs 6.27 all farm gate prices.
The company's see that farmers are easy pickings, its like the old OCT was lowest price of year. Now its Dec.
US price is increasing but not like the Canadian.

[agstar77]

Mayo was on BNN on Monday. He said they would be looking to increase margins!! Who do you think will pay for increased margins? Now that they have a bigger share of the market , will they be more efficient or just charge more because they can? Strange with all the talk of record grain prices our margins are at record lows, so we must be more efficient , but Viagra will increase margins, go figure!!

[silverback]

Funny reply from as.

How about, now that the cwb controls the wheat exports of the prairies, will they ever get us the record prices the rest of the world is paying or will they just sell it off at any price because they can?

[parsley]

Think the CWB staff are going scoop up pay raises, BONUSES, and stress cash envelopes? Yup.

And who do you think, agstar, is going to foot the bill for these ? Greenpeace? Nope.

Guess again.

[winwin]

A.S. needs to be reminded that noone HAS to deal with Saskpool.They have to earn their customers business.

The CWB,on the other hand, is a true monopoly.If a farmer really tried to export without their permission he would soon encounter the use of FORCE.Physical arrest,siezures,dogs, pepper spray,even the potential use of tasers.This explains how they can still take possession of grain promising only $6 per bushel in a $9 market.

Viterra doesn't have tasers so they can't even threaten to use them if you dare to deal eleswhere.

If they are making excessive margins in the grain bus---it's because our industry is SO overregulated noone gets into it.

Noone has cause to complain about margins in the lentil bus,for example.There's dozens of med.companies---but NO CWB

[winwin]

It just occured to me what the fert.business would be like if there was aCWB type monopoly.

If everybody had to deal with them you'd have to get a n,p,k,permit book.Quotas.

You'd have to do a buyback if you headed to the field with a load of poop.Legume growers would have to pay their fair share into the pool.

Any farmers who used manure or legumes without doing a fertilizer buyback would be accused of stealing from their neighbors.They could be arrested,charged and called a THIEF like Andy Mcmechan was when he dared to sell some of his own grain outside the ghetto.

Sounds bizarre of course,but when you overlay what a CWB type entity would look like if applied to any other bus or any other part of our business it shows how incredibly absurd it is to impose this kind of a straitjacket on yourself.
It has just gone on because it has just gone on so long.

[parsley]

I wonder if the Liberals, moaning over the plight of Schrieiber being chained and shackled, will acknowledge that this PRECEDENT was set by Ralph Goodale, who was the Minister of the Canadian Wheat Board, who allowed Andy McMeachan to be chained and shackled for selling his own grain.

Goodale set the precedent.Some of the Directors of the CWB cheered.


Parsley

[agstar77]

So why is S3 complaining, he can buy N from a number of suppliers in the free market and he doesn't have to sell to Viagra?

[Burbert]

The CWB is responsible for high fertilizer prices? Saskboy, that is a real stretch even for you dudes on angriville. LOL. Like a lawyer friend of mine said "Banks have lots of money, if you need some for fertilizer this year, why not just borrow it, grain prices are high. The fertilizer will eventually pay for itself anyway." Being a great framer, you can't miss, its a win/win!

[charliep]

Asked the below a while back and never got a response.

Are you suggesting the CWB offer other services such as selling inputs?

http://www.abb.com.au/FertiliserAgChem/tabid/471/Default.aspx

Also been asked/talked about in the CWB.

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/farmers/surveys/producer/

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/choice/harvesting/pdf/harvesting_opp_0806.pdf
IP

To be more clear, would you want to deal the single desk/monopoly as a supplier of your inputs? Would the CWB look after farmers interests better that current situation? Your answer to the question would go along ways to understanding the recent maltster press release.

A more curious interest to me is how farmers can use the internet to look at fertilizer pricing across the border and make price comparisons/purchase decisions (FNA) and yet they are not compable of doing the same thing when they are marketing wheat? Perhaps the fact we are having this conversation via the internet is a good sign things have changed and in the world in not flat but rather round.

[charliep]

Even more weird.

Lack of competition in fertilizer pricing. Solution - increase competition and provide access to lower cost alternatives.

Lack of competition in world wheat markets. Solution - Single desk selling (perhaps I should say buying) and Canadian enforced border restrictions (i.e. export licences) that force grain producers to use western Canadian elevator system.

[SASKFARMER3]

Fertilizer Prices
Fertilizer
Cash or Prepaid price per ton


82-0-0 $565.00

28-0-0 $360.00

46-0-0 $485.00

11-52-0 $550.00

18-46-0 $550.00

10-34-0 $460.00

0-0-60 $400.00

Quote from two others family member got today,

Its anywhere from .486 at low end to - .493 on high.

Again take the price in gulf at 300 ton does it cost 600 a ton to get it to sask. Oh wait its made here!

[agstar77]

I agree , your post was weird CL!!

[cropduster]

Gas@565/tonne.Your tank in the field in the spring?Or is this American pricing?877-554-2106

[kamichel]

Viagra called me this morning and also got the price of 855 for Anhydrous plus delivery so same price as Saskfarmer. So works out to 49.3 cents per pound. Only limitted tons availlable. One reasonning is that Italy is purchasing some Urea from North America. I hollar bullshit. We are purchasing product from the middle east, china and Russia. It would be technically impossible for Italy to purchase from North America.