Protein

[agchat]

Hauled some wheat the other day. This winter when samples were taken in, (caught from every load) it was 13.0, and 13.1. Made the contract for 12.5 just to be on safe side. Here are the five loads that were hauled in order -- 12.9, 12.8, 12.0, 11.9, 12.4. Would you be satisfied?

[bucket]

What would you expect?

Graincos are not monitored by any regulatory agency with any teeth.

[farmaholic]

Hopalong is selling olive branches.

[makar]

You did great, here samples are at least one full point below truckloads.

[SASKFARMER3]

The way we sample is a lot like you. Each semi load has 4 scoops from each compartment into a pail the pail is then sent in to them to test in fall. Always a difference. Because we take a general sample of a whole bag they suck up a pop bottle out of 1200 bushels. Ours is closer theirs isn't. But hey why would a farmers way be the right way.

[wmoebis]

Do you have a sample with a known protein? If so have them check it to satisfy that their machine is accurate.

Next have them run each sample through again to rule out human error. One of the most common mistakes that farmers do is not watch what is going on, mistakes happen and no one catches them.

The numbers on the machine are inadvertently recorded inaccurately when read or when they are entered into system. The person entering the info may not be the same one that did the work and read the machine and often the numbers are not legible, so they guess at what it says and often they can have an key entry mistake.

Check the moisture on each load did the moisture and protein get mixed up. I have seen samples that are 13.2 px and 12.6 Mt been recorded and show up on check as 12.6 px and 13.2 Mt. Looks reasonable to everyone but can be a lot of money if spreads are wide enough.

If you rule out all this, then yes Px can vary in the bin just like it does in the field, the way it was binned.

[wmoebis]

Every protein machine, bench scale and truck scale are equipped with a 9 pin outlet that allows a record tape or compuer system directly hooked to them. I wonder why the CGC doesn't make it mandatory that all grain co's have direct link to computer or at very least a ticker tape to cross reference and eliminate or reduce human error and questionable results.

[farmaholic]

Untrusting? The worst is when you ask for a recheck and it mysteriously is higher.

HUMAN "err" "OR"

That was too funny.

[Rareearth]

I can see the manager setting equipment and calibration to favor the grain buyer, that's where the salary bonuses are made, with or without employee knowledge.

If the manager instructs staff, employees to manipulate results isn't that fraud? Very risky for a manager to do if there is a disgruntled employee and he spills the beans. Why hasn't anyone per sued this in the courts, say small claims court? Is this urban legend or fraud?

[sumdumguy]

Good grief! Desperate means for desperate men! What kind of world do we live in? This is Canada - isn't it?

[farmaholic]

SDG: corruption knows no boundaries, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TRANSACTION!!!

[vvalk]

Could have your samples put in a bag after with the mangers signature and protein level. When your hauling bring in those same sealed bags and check the protein. Find out real fast if there is anything wrong. No 2 protein testers are alike so if they were done with different machines but really they should be within 1/3 of a percent regardless. One other option is to fork out $20-30000 and buy your own tester. I have looked at getting one for malt during harvest. Can bin more accurately