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    #11
    One general thing noted over the past 10 days with frost damage and recovery or not is fert rates at seeding . Now before anyone gets pissy - we have covered 1000's and 1000's of acres since the Black Friday Friday frost.
    The majority of canola in this area was seeded into good moisture but dried very quickly. Most of canola germinated good and root systems established very well partly due to dry weather- not a bad thing BUT ... Then it froze and if that canola was seeded close to a high concentration of fert ( within 1-2 in ) the canola was wiped out worse than fields with mid or low fertility . Fert burn has caused as much damage as frost in those cases.
    Anouther is different varieties in the Same fields - some were wiped out some virtually unscathed . I have seen this before . Some varieties simply have bigger balls.
    This is just something seen in this area - 40-50 mile radius - I suspect some will say they seen different from different areas.
    Some of the canola here recovered very well even after pounding hail 36 hrs after frost . Some just had the fairly moderate frost in other areas and was wiped out . It did not take long to see the coralation between very high fertility rates and unusually high frost damage and or poor, slow recovery or just death.
    Stripped Beatles also did far more damage than most thought - the stem feeding was devestaing to struggling plants . Chewed leaves are one thing but chewed stems are worse .

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      #12
      The other very obvious factor in frost damage was trash cover but that is nothing new . It's the unseen happening below ground that caught some off gaurd .

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        #13
        That is hilarious!
        I was having a similar discussion in the cab while burning off frozen canola fields prior to reseeding.

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          #14
          furrowtickler re fert;
          were your comments indirectly pointing to planting equipment? chicken/master vs. mrb? Seems to me that the chicken/master gets to the fert much sooner than mrb.
          Noticing that in wheat fields, not sure whether I want my wheat taking up so much fert that early? Anyone else see this?

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            #15
            Oh no, not a sideband MRB discussion.

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              #16
              No not a sideband vrs mid row thing. Simply fert burn , crop staging and frost damage with high fertility close to the seed row. Very few mrb's left around here, but lots of seed hawks, techno tills and a mix of others. There is a major diff in survivability in the area but there are many factors from field to field. High fertility in close proximity is just one of them noted. Again just an observation not looking for a pissin match one vrs the other. It is real and it happened this year - may never line up again but it looks like it did with this years very 'odd' weather set up before and after the frost. _2 to -4 should have never caused the damage it did.

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                #17
                BG was correct then, another plus for delayed N feeding. We fall banded all N & S, virtually NO frost damage either.

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                  #18
                  Most of the fertility in this area is delivered by fall applied NH3 and seed placed P. There is some spring broadcast, and a few like us that one pass double shoot in spring. Frost didn't pick favourites here.

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                    #19
                    Our frozen out canola was L140P. Interesting. Disturbing?

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                      #20
                      Breave , how cold though ??
                      -6 or -7 , your right - it will not matter
                      -2 or -3 , it's showing up - extra stress on small plants .

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