LIB/NDP vs Status quo

[farmaholic]

Boy is this off track. But how did UPOV78 prevent them from doing what they wanted.
When I buy certified seed there are royalties I paid. Seriously, why did it need to be improved? As far as I am concerned this is the first step onto the slippery slope. Hang on folks your in for the slip of your farming life. More costs... and likely every acre over time...

[mustardman]

farmaholic yes indeed As Farmers, with Friends like the Conservative party we DONT need any ENEMIES

[FarmRanger]

<i>"Every current variety has been Deregistered and only the so called New and improved royalty sucking varieties are available."</i>
Cut the bullsh**. All the current varieties are grandfathered into their respective classes and barring some extraordinary circumstances, varieties aren't flippantly de-registered, and certainly not all the publicly owned varieties we have now. In addition there is nothing in UPOV 91 that makes deregistration any more likely than it was in UPOV 78.

[sawfly]

it is a predicament .
black powder , your over reaching quite
a bit. about union connections .
and other statements about GST. and CWB
are completely out to lunch.
(not gonna happen)

while a liberal / ndp combo would be thin on ag issues. that might be a good thing compared to what we have been getting.

a government that simply does what big business wants all the time . is how you end with the Alberta heritage Fund debacle .
Alberta with 17 billion fund that could be burnt up in
4 budget deficits .

compared to Norway with a trillion
dollar rainy day fund .(lefty govt. there)

No comparison, higher royalties, and only allowing them selves to take out 4% per year, from the fund.(management)

if Alberta had come up to Sask.s old royalty structure, instead of Sask. going down to match Alberta's .
it might have been a whole different story. fund wise (too late now)

i do not know if a lib. / ndp would be any better on the rail road / transportation issue .

but really , how could they be any worse?

ignore and deny the problem exists , then come up with a tiny little fine and a pretend threat.

an exporting nation , and it's transport system is a mess and that is the response.

How could it be more pathetic.

a year and half later and no attempt to even understand or fix or monitor, to see what could be done.

Mulclair has said a few dumb things,
other than that , he is not stupid. and Trudeau is well a bit of fluff.

but given power, responsibility .
maybe between the 2 of them , and their parties, some actual management
could happen.

it could not be worse than the Harper dictatorship since the majority.
one sell out after another.

conservatives have no lock on financial prudence, far from it.

[BreadWinner]

Sawfly did you come up with and ideas to improve ag in all that gobblygoop or you just another whiner just like all the rest of the politicians. All hot air and no good ideas....

[dalek]

Look no farther than Ontario where the Sierra Club whispers in Wynnes ear and farmers lose seed treatments. Think Trudeau Lite cares about your canola?

[rockpile]

Just some observations:
1. Canadians don't elect Governments - they throw them out after time.
2. Harper has had enough time to really piss off a lot of people. C-51 is something everyone should be concerned about. The consensus is he really screwed up the Keystone file. Focusing on things like 'tough on criminals' when violent crime is at its lowest level since 1972, ISIL, Gun laws, which btw, the new registry law though introduced eons ago will not make it through before the next election, tax promises that have yet to be approved though being widely advertised, the limp dick response to national transportation policy and safety legislation, on and on. And oh, how about the economy? The delayed budget? The only way they can balance the budget is by fudging the numbers. Folks, the Canadian economy is in rapid decline while other G 7 types are rising. Oil!!!
3. Trudeau mania! Happened once before. I've listened to some of JT's speeches and would caution that he should not be underestimated. Very good with words and phrases.
4. Tom Mulcair - will eat both Harper and Trudeau in the election forums. Watch QP. He's a dam good lawyer and debater.
Just my observations. Not sure how I will vote but my local candidate will be top of the list, not the party or leader. We need electoral reform where somehow we elect the best of the best and not just team jerseys and rah rah politics.

[grower99]

This government has done precious little for ag in the time it has been in power. It has not handled most of the files very well. When they have the farmer vote in their back pocket,they only need to pay attention to the needs of their corporate financial backers.

[sawfly]

what do you want to hear? ( you give me your ideas first)
the whole thing is pretty f ed up.

we used to own one of the RRs.
if we still did, then we could have
built it up til it worked for every shipper.
but no , con.s and libs thought a corporate monopoly was a better idea.
imagine that!

How about , instead of leaving all the power with the guys that screwed it up in the first place. rr.s and grain co.s

make the grain co.s top up each others ships , and get em the hell out of the harbor. like it was under the board.

if that can't work. then the gov. get off it's ass and see what will work.
Build storage at the ports ? something
at least look at the problem.

who runs this country ? the railroads or the govt.
instead of kissing ass with the RRs play some hard ball.
actually break up the monopoly.

there must be some govt. power Mulroney did not give away

the con.s and libs made this mess and tied our hands.
now you want a miracle.

our options are really kind of slim.

we should be the richest nation on the planet.

[Oliver88]

Look no further than Manitoba for an example of a NDP government. Look to Ontario for a long running Liberal government.

Two big disasters, be careful what you wish for.

[foragefarmer]

Oliver 88

And you don't have to look any further than Alberta and the federal Conservatives to see a total disaster. Keep rewarding them for doing terrible job.

[Oliver88]

Redford was a liberal in the PC party.

As far as the federal government goes, Zoolander Justin or Mulcair would lead us to a very disastrous state.

Harper is the best option in my opinion but it's a free country so you can vote for a Substitute drama teacher or Socialist from Quebec and expect better results if you wish.

[blackpowder]

This forum, as it is, open and unvetted, is an example of why democracy is so messy. No tests required to have a say.

[SASKFARMER3]

This is a tough one. Two Yahoos joining against one who's time to retire is here.
I vote for the one who's time to retire is here.
See if I was PM I would have retired at Xmas had a big rah rah rah party picked a new leader new blood and took the other two right out of the equation.
But then Im not PM and never want to be PM.
Now Ag Minister maybe. No not really. I couldn't travel around the world selling our product to countries only to not have it able to get to port.

[grower99]

If you have the ability and take the time I would suggest you look on Wickipedia for a quick search of Trudeau's background and education. It appears to me that he has a lot more going for him than our present PM when he became PM. Harper founded the Northern Foundation and was a member of the "National Citizens'Coalition". Google the goals of these two groups and see if you support them. I don't.