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    The case for LESS government regulation..RR cap to be removed?

    Dear Charlie etel;

    I have been thinking how to put a good spin on our grain transportation logistics in western Canada...

    Yet how can CNCP expect anything but more gov regulations with the way they are behaving:

    My case in short- TRJ vs CNCP

    Gov 2007-08 takes away excess cost CNCP charged for car maintenance to grain growers of $72M

    CNCP object...appeals Go all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada... CNCP lost. $72M subtracted from the grain profit cap for Western Canada.

    TRJ files for a class action... in Alberta... for all of western Canada... to discover if the pre2007 charges (excess $72M car maint) were proper.

    CNCP spend almost $2M they claim... to stop class action from receiving standing... and succeed.

    If this TRJ class-action actually had been 'frivolous and vexatious' why would CNCP want to spend $2M?

    Simply CNCP council could have moved to dismiss this TRJ class-action and succeed if this were the actual case.

    END. Case is dismissed. TRJ class-action does not receive standing. Costs to be established.

    In the costs Leave to Appeal Feb 24 2015... in the Alberta Court of Appeal... CNCP Council accused TRJ of slandering the RR's, being vexatious, and spreading lies. TRJ should be made an example of... to stop such cases in the future.

    TRJ had very little to gain (in TRJ vs CNCP) at the farm level... but that we grain growers could use a non-governmental court system to have some discipline over the Railway grain grower relationship.


    The hope was some Future possible issues then could have possible remedies outside of Government regulations.

    Unfortunately... the Alberta Courts decided that legislation alone was to govern CNCP actions... and that centuries old CommonLaw rules of conduct were not acceptable respectable standards to be met... besides ruling that the action was not brought in the proper time.

    The Honourable Court of Appeal in Alberta has ruled. Costs stand as ordered... $423,000. No apparent concern about the chilling effect on future attempts by farmers to seek justice.

    CNCP win on all counts. CNCP issue Writ of Execution against all TRJ farm land.

    TRJ offers to give written apology and asks for forgiveness of Court Costs which means removal of the Writ of Execution on TRJ farm...

    As justice has been served as far as the rule of law is concerned... why be vindictive and chill all future class action attempts at resolving problems in our RR transportation logistical system?

    Does beating down a single individual grain farmer... truly have the desired impact?

    What happens if that grain farmer... goes on a hunger strike because of CNCP strong are tactics to prevent future farmers from attempting resolution of future problems that need solutions?

    How would a reasonable person... be expected to come to the conclusion... that LESS gov regulation was appropriate... when the CNCP actors take such vengeance against TRJ...

    Vengeance... after a solution and resolution CNCP wanted resolved... and was to the satifaction of ALberta Courts... a solution and understanding to an outstanding 'Novel and Public Interest issue' that's perceived as an injustice by many in the farm community?

    Now... we find CNCP have hauled much less grain south to the US... ON NON REGULATED GRAIN RATES.

    IF THERE WERE ACTUALLY MORE PROFIT IN HAULING NON-REGULATED GRAIN... WHY WOULDN'T CNCP DO A GOOD JOB with service for western Canadian grain going south?

    #2
    Just sell that 2013 jd snow plow, costs covered. End of story.

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      #3
      **** off mb

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        #4
        Fact is that the railroads are allowed to hold us all ransom. By dividing up the province giving them soul ownership of the track, government has fostered these dictators. Cap or no cap, they can and will do whatever they please and report however they please, because no one has the balls to say, Whoe, chick eye!

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          #5
          Well mb stands up to say I am a dink and seems proud. Tom4 is eating ***** and losing weight. And standing up for all. I am pissed at anyone against tom. What is the point. He is doing something.

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            #6
            Hopper, Tom is a victim of his own hubris. One farmer taking the rr's to court (and losing) will not solve anything. Bitching and whining on coffee row will solve nothing. And certainly ranting on forums like Agrivivlle will solve nothing. Farm groups banding together crying foul and seeking special treatment will fix nothing.
            What needs to be done is to form a united force of ALL shippers of all commodities and products to get on the same page and declare that the solely profit oriented motivation of the two national railroads is holding back the true prosperity of our nation and stifles the capabilities and profitability of each and everyone of our industries. And that does not serve our economy nor our GDP growth but is sucking the potential wealth out of our country, now and into the future. And most of all, we need some visionary politicians who understand this and are willing to step to the front of the parade and bring this problem into the mainstream discussion.
            Otherwise, we might as well quit our pissing and moaning and just post about Tom eating *****!

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              #7
              Thanks rockpile to present your solution while tom is starving while your solution includes him starving and die ing. And according to you is bus as usual.

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                #8
                Rock your a dink

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                  #9
                  Hopper, Tom is not starving, I assure you. Now go sober up - you must have stated early today...

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                    #10
                    Hopper, grow up. We need exactly what Rockpile
                    describes. Quit the name calling and juvenile theatrics. Your display is precisely why farmers can not get results from a unified front. In other words, I would appreciate it if you would clean up your act or go catch a mouse.

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                      #11
                      Rockpile


                      Good ideas. Don't know where you heard them before but we need all industries and then just one spokesman that had the full understanding of all of this and can not quit until the problem is solved.

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                        #12
                        Rocky,

                        Didn't I just see someone say...

                        "But we understand, and it's important that everyone who's looking at this system understands, that this is an unusual situation where in the marketplace you have two large suppliers - the two big railway companies - where they have extraordinary market power," he said.
                        "And we simply cannot accept outcomes where those two big companies would dictate to the market just what they think is satisfactory in their interests. That is not going to serve the wider interests of grain farmers or of the Canadian economy."

                        Who said this? Does it show understanding of what we are dealing with?

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                          #13
                          MB,

                          Need the 9460 to plant with... it is on low interest rates in any event... you know how JD works to get iron in the field! Good thing JD owns it! Grin!

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                            #14
                            Rocky,

                            Just coming into Day 14. Things have gone very well so far... but liquids do not often retain well... which makes it rather tricky to go to the bathroom!

                            I suppose some type of cork would help!

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                              #15
                              Too much information.

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