Cost to move grain to port

[farming101]

Not all of the charges are directly linked to an individual sale of grain. You might take the hit, you might not.

For example, everybody sharing the pain of a demurrage charge equally ended with the CWB annual pool account.

[bucket]

Really. If everyone's delivery plans get ****ed up because the graincos decide to pay demmurage because the railways fail to perform, you don't think it affects everyone?

That's some interesting insight into the way you think and what kind of bullshit you will buy into.


Chemical companies probably sold you miracle spray for an already dead pea crop last year too.


Geezus!

[farming101]

Sorry, my post didn't come through with the right message.
Right now it is obvious everyone is sharing the pain. It is absolutely true that if the grain company/merchant is going to end the year in the black he is going to offload his expenses to whomever he can. With the ability to adjust the cash price to the producer in the blink of an eye that someone is the primary producer.

[bucket]

Farming101

Yes I read your post again prior to your last. It can read differently.

Maybe jumped to conclusions I shouldn't have. Apologies.

Print doesn't express facial expressions or speech tones and meanings can be lost.

But I think after last year everyone and every commodity in canada is taking the hit. The winners - graincos and railways. They know the work is always there along with rubber stamped increases. Unlike farmers.

Peas close to 10 in the states barely 9 here.

[farming101]

Another unintended consequence that has been highlighted by many is that the focus has been on offshore exports.

The huge US market to the south has not been served as well as it should be.

US population growth is over 2 million a year. That is a market that should not be neglected. See oats last winter.

[Hopalong]

farming101,would like to see more up to date figures on costs pacific versus St Lawrence.
Last winter, U of S prof was suggesting Brandon as break point east versus west shipping.
Is that still true?

[farming101]

Sorry Hopalong, nothing at my fingertips.

One thing of interest when talking about West Coast-East Coast is that asking prices factor into the equation.

So if grain companies are able to ask more for grain sitting in the terminal in the St. Lawrence than they are for West Coast than the extra cost of getting the grain to port is borne by the foreign buyer, not the domestic system/producer.
According to Agcanada that is the case right now.
<a title="Weekly Price Summary" href="http://www.agr.gc.ca/eng/industry-markets-and-trade/statistics-and-market-information/by-product-sector/crops/crops-market-information-canadian-industry/weekly-price-summary/?id=1378745200250">Weekly Price Summary</a>
Is it more efficient to send grain to the west coast? Probably. Does it make a difference to the farmer's cash price? Who knows?

[Hopalong]

Thank you farming101 for reference to price summary.
Makes one think some more about advice from university profs to increase pacific port capacity if it comes at expense to eastern port capacity.

[charliep]

Quorum reports also have information on costs that can be used to determine netbacks from port. Lots of tables in area 6 of the data spreadsheets in the annual reports. Quarterly repors have more information on the cost side (area 4 on the data spreadsheets).

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