Fertilizing winter wheat when planting?

[boarderbloke]

Just wondering what fertilizer strategy others use when planting winter wheat, particularly with midrow banders. Planning to place all my fertilizer when planting this fall, screw spring floating, no time in spring, especially if wet again. I'm planning to seed place all my phosphate, and for nitrogen, planning to use half 46-0-0-0 and half ESN. I'm debating where to place the N. Right now, thinking to seed place all the ESN as it shouldn't hurt the germ and midrow the urea. Concerned that urea in the midrow would be too far away to use this fall and perhaps lost by next spring/summer, when placed that far away.(Drill 12" spacing) Urea, seed placed would be too hot.
Another option would be to blend the N's and use a lower amount with the seed and a greater amount in the midrow.
Any thoughts?

[Klause]

I'd you are going to do that put the esn in the MRBs and ditch the urea.

Use superU for the other half or if you can't get it use urea with Agrotain and nserve. That way it'll be there in spring even if it is wet.

Put down 50lbs of ams with your phos for Fall N and plant health.

Just my opinion.

[ry0972]

Why not use all ESN or treat the urea and put it all through the MRB's?
I put 100# ESN down MRB's in 2013 on barley and had as good or better yields/quality as the fields that had plain urea. I was worried about high protein but was no difference.
Even in a dry year I think there would be more positives than negatives to using all ESN or treated urea.
Now cost is the big negative to ESN.
If it was only $5/tonne more than 46 I would use only ESN for nitrogen through MRB's. It is nice being able to have nitrogen sit in the bin/air cart etc for a year or more and just open the slide and have it run out with no lumps!!

[Oilking]

What is the cost difference right now between 46-0-0 and ESN ?

[BreadWinner]

We put down 100lbs actual N, 50/50 esn and urea all in the seed row. We find it works best for wet or dry and for cold or warm falls as well as cold or warm springs. ESN wont volatise in cold springs. We are stopping using Prepass or express find it can slow wheat growth.

[boarderbloke]

BreadWinner, any thoughts about using 2,4-D or dicamba in the burnoff pass to get volunteer canola or cleavers?

[BreadWinner]

I think I would go with just a pass with 1.5liter of roundup, then if the canola comes too think go with a bit of 24d. The canola wont compete to much after a frost or two.

[food4u]

Breadwinner,. please elaborate on express because we have been using it due to the carryover and controlling winter annuals.Have been growing winter wheat only for a short time but really liked express for this reason.

[Braveheart]

Don't worry about controlling volunteer canola. It will be a non issue and may even help insulate the crown

Re N, used to not be recommended in fall as might cause too much growth and/or take away winter hardiness. Recent research has disproven that though.

Why not keep it simple with straight urea. There's not that much time after the conversion to nitrite form. Personal experience with ESN and winter wheat was not as satisfying as with plain urea.

[BreadWinner]

We have used both products for the past 4 years on winter wheat, we are thinking it is slowing fall growth. We also are thinking it restricts your reseed options in the spring if you have a bad winter. It's not supposed to have any effect on wheat but we have found otherwise.