HRS and why we dont need new seed rules!

[Braveheart]

Grassfarmer, it's true. I was raising the spectre of Socialist boogeyman.

You're dead on about extremists. Extreme conservatives, extreme liberals, communists, Muslims, especially extreme Christians, definitely extreme *******.

Extremely hot babes excluded of course!

The current federal govt is made up of some extreme Conservatives, and some extreme Christians. Far from perfect, they're people after all. But Stephen Harper, for me, is the best mis of a social and fiscal conservative.

[Braveheart]

Tom, I do care to know that. Thanks. It must be a recent change as RBC used to support previous Liberal efforts.

[TOM4CWB]

Braveheart,

The reason the Liberal party is out in the cold politically... is that the Conservative Party of Canada moved into the centre of the political spectrum where the Liberals used to reside. Now the NDP are more Conservative than the Liberals... which has led to Justin being elected.

Labels politically are basically useless... as the landscape has moved so much!

[Braveheart]

I agree Tom. The political landscape shifts so that it must be built on sand. Yikes!

[Braveheart]

Back to seed. Curious. If the "sky is about too fall" people were right about farm saved or farmer to farmer sales, how would anyone know? Will there be seed police?

[bucket]

gust

My question about who pays when the market gets screwed up is valid.

In the syngenta case in point, they sold the seed to farmers to grow, it was the trait that the chinese banned.

Good or bad, scientific or not, should syngenta not be held to account on this???

And not to go back to the triffid ache for long. It was never commercially available and if it was, I think they made an effort to round it all up back in the early 2000s - who should be held account for that mess.

These are valid questions that should be answered by someone prior to changing the rules. Maybe a little due diligence.

[bgmb]

I agree Cotton, that is the way the line companies would like to see it go they have locked up delivery of grain and control of the inputs. Thats why I dont grow IP, put the grain in the bin and then shop for the best deal.

[Braveheart]

Sometimes there's value in IP. We've done well with Nexera. We don't take Warburton because we don't see enough value.

I want to be in the paradigm where I see the rest of industry as our partner. When we look at the rest of the industry that way they start looking back the same way.

Rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie, we want the pie bigger so all our pieces are bigger.

[SASKFARMER3]

If my 5603 that I paid for is grandfathered in and no decommissioned bull shit. Then all you guys can grow what ever new bs varieties they come up with.
Gust on canola yea it looked like a normal spring so I booked what looked like it would work for our area. Not doing that again. Just told bayer rep I'll take lowest cost varieties next year I'm done going for the big prize. No point shooting for the moon.

[gustgd]

Brave heart on seed police that was a private company trying to enforce contract law. If it goes to enforcing "the law of Canada" I don't know??
Would farmers be the people that any party wants to throw in jail for selling wheat. Oh right

That's why it may go the Australian route of EPR everyone can swap and grow whatever they want but when you deliver you tell the variety and the breeder gets paid on volume. Better varieties more volume. Better qualities lower volume = higher royalty. No seed police they encourage brown bagging. VERY EXPENSIVE!! The Australian farmer puts in 3:1 what you do.

The Yanks have their land grant universities.

European have other models

hedgehog might be able to explain what his dream model might look like.

Anyone want to tell us what the plan could be. Try not to include taxpayers in varietal finishing past F6 tight or wrong they've indicated they want off the merry go round.

Bucket I agree with you on seed care and diligence. I don't know the answers to the Trifid flax example. Not my circus not my monkeys

Fact is that in real dollars there is less for varietal research. Being apolitical I don't see any party stepping up to fill gap.

Technology has allowed more precise breeding. This can be done through double haplaiodal breeding and genomic selection. So we don't need as many people to do the same work. Yet the people have to be better.