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Is Corn a Mature Bull Market?

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  • errolanderson
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 3146

    Is Corn a Mature Bull Market?

    There a lot of debate on where corn
    prices are going to head in August. But
    we are sensing that this market is
    becoming a mature bull market.

    Brazil corn is now being discounted as
    much as $40/MT at the Gulf which has cut
    U.S. corn exports substantially. Also,
    Black Sea corn is apparently also
    entering the U.S.

    Also, open interest is starting to
    decline. Open interest is like the gas
    pedal of the market.

    But there are many that state further
    yield reductions lie ahead.

    Appears that Big Ben won't announce a
    3rd round of 'world saving' juicy money
    printing this go-around either. The ECB
    Pres has pledged to save the Euro, but
    so far looks like rhetoric. We'll see
    tomorrow when the ECB meets.
  • SASKFARMER3
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 14485

    #2
    Early corn yields just in 46 and 39. No
    thats not HRS yields but corn in top corn
    state. Me thinks the world will be short
    for the next few months.

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    • samhill
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 896

      #3
      U.S. corn exports strong in spite of lower corn
      yield expectations.

      http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/wa_gr101.txt

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      • charliep
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2000
        • 9002

        #4
        Just curious on your yield numbers. May be the case for specific farms in the drought zone but most industry average corn yields are in the mid 130 bu/acre. That will give a corn crop in the 11.5 bln bu range, about 2 bln bu less than forecast consumption in 2012/13. Significant rationing will have to occur with the question of what price will make it happen. That is the reason we have $8/bu corn.

        Cow numbers will continue to drop in the US with forage/pasture shortage as a big a factor as high feed grain prices. The number of animals that will come to market over the next six months will mute the impact of smaller meat supplies but 2013 will be an interesting year as US meat supplies tighten up. The renewable fuel standard may also change after the presidential election. Consumption will get trimmed - has to. The real question will be the long term impact on demand and strong likelihood US farmers will plant 100 million acres in 2013. Yields? Two crop disasters in a row?

        Wheat has and will continue to displace corn in rations. High prices will make for increased production around the world (assuming mother nature cooperates). Will have to read the book called the "Black Swan". It is not the expected that will bite you but the event you didn't plan for.

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        • charliep
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2000
          • 9002

          #5
          The book is actually "Fooled by Randomness".

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          • dmlfarmer
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 1814

            #6
            Roughly 5 billion bushels of the US corn crop goes to ethanol production. So the projected shortfall of 2 billion bushels could easily be made up by reducing the amount of corn flowing to fuel. The simplest way to do this is for the government to set aside for 2012-13, the mandate that US fuels must have a percentage of ethanol.Suddenly you have 5 billion bushels of corn that no longer has a market. Watch all crop prices drop when 1/3 of the US corn crop is no longer needed.

            This will happen. The world and the US simply cannot afford $8.00 corn. Food inflation, especially in an election year, will force the government to take some sort of action and removeal of the ethanol mandate is the simplest, quickest, and easiest way to cut corn demand and prices. Sure, removal of subsides for ethanol would also work, but would be much slower and the political fallout would be much greater as plants close.

            As well, the US is facing a massive crop insurance and revenue protection bill with corn at $8.00. If corn prices are reduced prior to payment estabishment, the insurance claim could also be reduced. Given the economic reality in the US, reducing the windfall of farmers is much more attractive than hurting the pocketbooks of the 98% of people who are not selling corn.

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            • errolanderson
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 3146

              #7
              Informa Economics corn yield estimate was
              134 bu/acre released last week.

              Weekly export numbers released tomorrow
              will be interesting. Last week, the U.S.
              imported more corn than exported.

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              • bucket
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 17033

                #8
                Importing corn and there isn't a supply
                problem. Say that three times and keep a
                staight face.

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                • SASKFARMER3
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 14485

                  #9
                  Charlie farmers combining their fields notBS math
                  experts guessing. It's worse than you think.

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                  • errolanderson
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 3146

                    #10
                    bucket - there is a supply problem and
                    there is a price problem. The market is
                    trying to balance itself.

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