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    CWB poll

    CWB poll asks wrong question







    By Bruce Johnstone, The Leader-PostDecember 3, 2011




















    An opinion poll published in this paper this week suggests Saskatchewan people don't know or care much about the Canadian Wheat Board and, of those that do, most support the federal government's plans to remove the CWB's monopoly on wheat and barley sales. The poll, conducted by the University of Saskatchewan just days after the provincial election, showed 47 per cent of respondents had no opinion on the CWB's monopoly, while 30 per cent opposed the monopoly and 24 per cent supported it.

    It's not much of stretch to say the poll indicates the degree to which Saskatchewan has changed from a predominately rural province to a predominately urban province.

    Back in the late 1920s, when the province's population wasn't much different than it is today, 80 per cent of the population lived in rural areas and 20 per cent in urban areas. Today, that ratio is reversed and it comes as no surprise that urban people several generations removed from the farm don't know or care much about what happens on the farm.

    And it's fair to say the poll shows those who have an opinion about the CWB's monopoly generally support the party line, with one in three respondents supporting the Conservative Party's opposition to the CWB's single desk and one in four supporting the NDP's support for the monopoly. The problem is the poll asks the wrong question to the wrong people. The question - "Do you favour the Canadian Wheat Board's monopoly on selling prairie wheat, durum and barley or do you have no opinion on this matter?" - suggests that the issue is the granting of the monopoly to the CWB in 1943.

    The real issue is not a piece of legislation that was passed 68 years ago and has been reviewed and renewed regularly by Parliament until the Harper Conservatives won their majority in May.

    The real issue is the legislation introduced this fall - Bill C-18, the Marketing Freedom for Grain Farmers Act - which the Harper government is in the process of ramming through Parliament. The real question is: "Do you favour the elimination of the Canadian Wheat Board's single desk without a producer plebiscite as required by the Canadian Wheat Board Act?"

    Of course, people say that's too complicated for an opinion poll question and they would have a point. And that is the point. The issue of whether the CWB's monopoly should be removed or not is complicated and complex - not the sort of thing most people think about on a daily basis.

    Unless, of course, you're one of the 50,000 or 60,000 Prairie farmers who deliver wheat and barley to the Canadian Wheat Board. Then the issue is very real with major consequences to their livelihood.

    Yet these are the very people who are being denied their right to decide on the future of the Canadian Wheat Board by the very government that claims to put "farmers first.'' Why are they being denied their rights?

    Because the Harper government is afraid of what would happen if farmers were given the choice between the single desk or the open market. Despite claiming that they represent farmers' views, the Conservatives have failed to produce one opinion poll or scientific survey to show that the majority of wheat and barley farmers support the dismantling of the single desk.

    Instead, the Tories trot out agriculture ministers from provinces like Saskatchewan and Alberta that support their position, conveniently ignoring the one province that stands to lose the most by the removal of the single desk, Manitoba.

    In fact, Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz had to be asked three times before he admitted Manitoba's agriculture minister wasn't invited to "celebrate'' the passage of Bill C-18 at a news conference in Ottawa on Monday.

    Saskatchewan Agriculture Minister Bob Bjornerud was no better than Ritz, saying farmers were happy about the legislation passing in the Commons, but provided no evidence to support his claim.

    Is this the way public policy is conducted in this country? No consultation, no research, no statistics, no planning, no studies, no nothing, except we're the government and we're always right? Is that the kind of Canada we want?


    Read more: http://www.leaderpost.com/news/poll asks wrong question/5805529/story.html#ixzz1fVbP1NwW

    #2
    I hope that. Wnen the ink dries and the audit is
    complete, the feds publish their findings. Then
    you will know what they have known all along.
    The facts will tell the tale.

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      #3
      Born and raised in Regina, Bruce Johnstone
      graduated from the University of Regina
      with a B.A. in 1974, obtaining his honours
      certificate in English which everyone
      knows is the same as farming, from the
      University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon in
      1975. Following a brief stint with the
      provincial government,Worked for NDP duh,
      socialist and they don't change their
      spots

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        #4
        Yes, Bruce is a tupical socialist-wanna-be
        communist media type.

        He looks upon farming as though it is his duty to
        direct you how to actually 'do it' because he and
        Wendy Holm types not only know more than
        farmers do... (they have, after all, memorized ken
        Rossassens economic studies paid for by the
        CWB$, but they make their living from
        researching viewpoints and writing about their
        conclusions. And they get paid. Well paid.

        And the same few, associated with the same
        crew, in the NDP/NFU zoo, arbitrarily declare
        what is true, same view as Stu, on cue, nothing
        new.

        Move along folks, same verbal mouth crash to
        look at, move along. Pars

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          #5
          What is the well accepted definition of insanity on Agriville. Doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different result. Everyone can have the debates on process but the CWB is moving into a deregulated market in which it will not have single desk. The discussion should be about what happens going forward, ideas about a new business model for the CWB and providing farmers information so they can adapt. Anything else doesn't matter any more.

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            #6
            Farmers need to understand that there is a self-
            appointed "ruling class" who look down their
            noses at us. We are quietly rated as dull sheep
            who need to be herded towards any semblance
            of success. Just last week, I was again reminded
            that I thought like a farmer and it wasn't a
            positive dig.

            Frugality, independence, hard work, tenacity, ...
            many of the traits that built this country, are now
            demeaned in government cultures & increasing
            corporate cultures, both demanding unaffordable
            unearned bonuses and pensions. They've often been hired because of who they know instead of
            merit. They use every sick day and spurn
            physical labor and screech to their Unions. 20 yr
            olds quit work to backpack in the Alps.

            Will farmers forego the important traits.? Gonna
            need them Pars

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              #7
              Charlie,

              We were in Winnipeg doing EXACTLY that on Monday and Tuesday.

              Met with the CGC in the hall, the 3 commissioners were no more ready to lead us forward than Allan Oberg is.

              We NEED the US northern DNS wheat to market with CWRS... standardise our protein measurments... and cooperate as soon as possible to best extract the most premium out of our new markets that are developing. WE CAN be as effective with Wheat, Durum, and Barley as we are with Canola... IF we will work together. This good transition is the LAST thing the 'single desk' lefties want.

              We CAN work towards even higher premiums than US prices IF we work together and do this smart. If we fight and squable like a bunch of children in the unsupervised schoolyard... there are certainly those who will take advantage of our stupidity.

              Good points made Charlie. Exactly why I posted the new specs of our ICE contacts.

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                #8
                You might find that once the industry recruiters pull all the 'can do' people out of the board it will implode quickly. If that vacuum of talent exists at the CGC we need to move quickly Tom.

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                  #9
                  First to Parsley, yes I am familiar with the work of
                  Bev Tosh, once considered buying one of her
                  sketches. So fess up, did you model for her, hehe?
                  Just for the record I am a supporter of the principle
                  of a single desk seller. But the CWB is not the
                  largest single desk seller in the world, it is the US
                  Dept of Commerce. However, in that only 61% voted
                  to keep the single desk and 39% voted against
                  presents a problem for me. If it had been 91% for
                  and 9% against I wouldn't even acknowledge that
                  there is an issue. But these numbers as they are
                  present a problem and an obvious resolution is
                  required. While I don't support Ritz on this I do
                  concede that a change is needed. What distresses
                  me is that so little energy and intelligence is being
                  put forward to design the new reality. My thoughts
                  are with Charlie -get over it - now build it! I've put
                  this forward before and have been shit on by both
                  sides. It's been generations since a systemic change
                  like this has occurred and yet the most effected
                  people choose to sit around and whine about the
                  past. If you don't become a major force in designing
                  the new reality, then you'd better be prepared to
                  live with the consequences. And that would involve
                  harder work than you're used to. Old proverb - "be
                  careful what you ask for in case in comes true".

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                    #10
                    Lets re-invent the wheel, ta prove how
                    smart we, Angrivillers are. Yup no doubt
                    about it. Tickleing keys is the future of
                    Gag in Comedia. Chiselin and markeering
                    from the home PC in the basement is truly
                    the future we seem at be seeking.........

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                      #11
                      Nope rocky, no nudie stuff Only time I was a
                      subject was when I was in university and O'Hashi
                      followed me around sketching with pcharcoals.
                      Looked oriental in all the ones he gave me. He's
                      famous these days.

                      Everyone, including my cat, realized the CWB
                      needed a major overhaul ... except the eight
                      directors Are they that dumb? Pars.

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                        #12
                        parsley

                        That may be a rhetorical question but the answer is yes.

                        And the correct way of asking - "are they that mentally challenged?"

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                          #13
                          Rockpile, could it be that they can't do a lot of "forward planning". ICE will have market discovery, the elevators and railroads have already been moving it all, and marketing most of it too.

                          Maybe just let the free market work like it works for all the other grains? This is just a question not a philosophy so don't flame me please.

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                            #14
                            Rockpile,

                            Our farm has been building relationships for the past 20 years in preperation for this change.

                            We can work WITH the CWB or others... who give good value and service.

                            What is so hard about this???

                            I really don't understand why this is significantly different than pulses or canola!

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                              #15
                              Hi Wd9 - no flames here. I think the one thing that
                              may disappear is the value of discretionary pricing,
                              something Charlie has alluded to. And without
                              knowing the changes coming this spring to the
                              Canada Grains Act, there might be some serious
                              future issues with quality considerations. My fear is
                              that in the wheats there may be an accumulation of
                              product without markets.
                              Tom, I won't argue your points - it was just a
                              matter of whether or not to accept this critical
                              change and trying to quantify benefits. As for the
                              role of the future CWB, I think Cottonpicken has
                              really nailed it down. There are so many industry
                              wide changes coming I'm guessing no one will have
                              a good idea for at least 5 years whether or not we're
                              better off or worse off. Btw, building business
                              relationships is huge.

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