Morton ROASTED in ECKVILLE

[TOM4CWB]

Calling Grassfarmer....

Were you in Eckville last Night?

Good PUNCH line when Morton claimed his legislation WOULD NOT be used to Cancel Leases...

Wilson shot back:

You just cancelled all those private leases on that 2 million hectare 'reserve' in the oil sands.

The PC Leaders and Ministers must all take special 'crazy pills' each morning... when they wake up!

Morton and Iggy must be related!

Sorry Iggy...

[mustardman]

So let me get this straight-
Conservative party in Alberta - bad
Conservative party in Ottawa - good?

Am I hearing you right Tom?

[TOM4CWB]

Morton is in the Progressive Party of Alberta.

Ralph Klein was a classic 'Liberal'... however he respected property rights carefully.

Labels do not work well in politics...

IN CANADA.

If you take the principals of the Conservitive Party of Canada... you will find we have ALL of the Classic Liberal requirements covered:

"The Conservative Party will be guided in its constitutional framework and its policy basis by the following principles:

A balance between fiscal accountability, progressive social policy and individual rights and responsibilities;

Build a national coalition of people who share these beliefs and who reflect the regional, cultural and socio-economic diversity of Canada;

Develop this coalition, embracing our differences and respecting our traditions, yet honoring a concept of Canada as the greater sum of strong parts;

The Conservative Party will operate in a manner accountable and responsive to its members;

A belief in loyalty to a sovereign and united Canada governed in accordance with the Constitution of Canada, the supremacy of democratic parliamentary institutions and the rule of law;
A belief in the equality of all Canadians;

A belief in the freedom of the individual, including freedom of speech, worship and assembly;

A belief in our constitutional monarchy, the institutions of Parliament and the democratic process;

A belief in the federal system of government as the best expression of the diversity of our country, and in the desirability of strong provincial and territorial governments;

A belief that English and French have equality of status, and equal rights and privileges as to their use in all institutions of the Parliament and Government of Canada;

A belief that the best guarantors of the prosperity and well-being of the people of Canada are:

The freedom of individual Canadians to pursue their enlightened and legitimate self-interest within a competitive economy;
The freedom of individual Canadians to enjoy the fruits of their labour to the greatest possible extent; and
The right to own property;
A belief that a responsible government must be fiscally prudent and should be limited to those responsibilities which cannot be discharged reasonably by the individual or others;
A belief that it is the responsibility of individuals to provide for themselves, their families and their dependents, while recognizing that government must respond to those who require assistance and compassion;
A belief that the purpose of Canada as a nation state and its government, guided by reflective and prudent leadership, is to create a climate wherein individual initiative is rewarded, excellence is pursued, security and privacy of the individual is provided and prosperity is guaranteed by a free competitive market economy;
A belief that the quality of the environment is a vital part of our heritage to be protected by each generation for the next;
A belief that Canada should accept its obligations among the nations of the world;
A belief that good and responsible government is attentive to the people it represents and has representatives who at all times conduct themselves in an ethical manner and display integrity, honesty and concern for the best interest of all;
A belief that all Canadians should have reasonable access to quality health care regardless of their ability to pay; and
A belief that the greatest potential for achieving social and economic objectives is under a global trading regime that is free and fair."

http://www.conservative.ca/party/founding_principles/

Obviously ideals that are hard to keep... at all times... yet they are very strong principals that any Canadian can be proud of!

[grassfarmer]

Yes, TOM I was there last night, good entertainment!
Mustardman TOM seems to suffer confusion issues - "good" Conservatives and "bad" Conservatives and it wasn't long ago on this site he was extolling the virtues of the now infamous Bills.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

It was PC Alberta that changed... not me or my family.

I spoke critically behind closed doors... to both MLA's Doug and Minister Ted. PST is another 'bone to pick' with these 'Liberal socialists' (PC Alberta) that will reappear as a major issue.

They chose to push this liberal socialist agenda... not me.

Federally:

PM Harper is NOT PERFECT. NO ONE IS.

SO...

We must work through the many choices given in our lives...

WE ARE FREE AGENTS. RESPONSIBLE for our Decisions.

[grassfarmer]

TOM says "I spoke critically behind closed doors"
Go back and dig up the very first discussion we had on the topic of these bills to refresh your memory TOM - you were arguing with me that everything was OK, you had been involved in the stakeholder consultations and we had to just wait for the Bill your friend Morton was coming through with and all would be right with the world.
You did change sides TOM - once the error of your ways was pointed out.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

OK I bought the line the PC Alberta Ministers were going to respect our property rights... and was waiting.

Obviously I gave up waiting... they changed as I said... and are using regulations imposed upon us instead of rational market forces to determine future economic activity in Alberta.

Is there really any difference between our positions Grassfarmer?

OK... I am a sucker and shouldn't have believed their promises. King Ralph promised we would NEVER get back into determining business winners and losers... the PC Ministers changed this... NOT I. I am GUILTY as CHARGED for trusting them their word.

[per]

I respect a guy that as he realizes he is being lied to changes his mind. It was a bit like fishing a stocked pond with dynamite last night. I have to wonder why a guy with a Doctorate in Political Science agreed to participating especially in a format where the adversary got to speak and then rebut last. Minister Dave Hancock QC took a bit of a beating as well.

[rockpile]

Tom, does that mean you're moving your allegiance to
the Wild Rose Alliance?

[grassfarmer]

TOM, I don't think there is a difference between our positions on this issue now since you switched sides. Now if I could just make you see sense on the CWB issue LOL!

[TOM4CWB]

Grassy,

You saw my post on CHS Inc.?

I am for working together with others in the Community. Always have been.

We buy from Wildrose Coop... a large part of our farm supplies.

It would only make rational sense that we work with CHS Inc... and become stronger together. There are certainly billions to save... and billions in marketing efficiencies if we CHOOSE to work together. If we were to link together with the Ausies CBH Group... there would be global reach that would be tough to beat!

[TOM4CWB]

If you ask me . . .
B A C K G R O U N D E R / Morris W. Dorosh

Robin Sears, a former Mr. Big in the NDP party, told an Ontario state TV interviewer last month that supply management in dairy and poultry sectors is “a license to steal
from consumers”, obviously not a desirable thing.
Others on a panel of which Sears was a member, of assorted political
backgrounds, concurred. Supply management continues to be attacked regularly, and not just from free enterprise sources. But that is where it ends because there is no practical means to dismantle the system.
Nobody would imagine that Sears’ opinion of marketing boards is shared by those of his comrades still in the
NDP party, or in any other party. During the recent televised
election campaign debate of agricultural representatives
of the four parties, each, including agriminister Ritz, was more effusive than the other about committing
to retain, protect and defend the supply management system.
This is an election where the parties freely make up lies about each other and present them as the others’ policy.
The Liberal Easter accused the Conservative party of insincerity in promising to continue to fight to protect the supply-management system, though there is no reason for a rational person to disbelieve it. Easter said the Conservatives are “double-talking” with the promise to protect supply management while “killing” the Wheat
Board monopoly.
Everybody who enters this fray, including the one-time
potato-farming perennial head of the National Farmers Union, ought to know and probably does know that there
are no similarities between the Wheat Board and supply management marketing boards. But Canadian politics
having descended into the science of systematic deceit, this can hardly be expected to be unexpected.
The marketing boards that confer the privilege of producing milk, eggs, chickens and turkeys were formed by
producers nearly 50 years ago in some cases at the initiative of farmers, in a process that included a fair-and square vote.
Because supply management entails control of imports, which is a federal matter, legislation created national agencies that are technically senior to provincial agencies, and impart the authority to regulate imports at
levels recommended by provincial boards.
All directors of provincial boards are elected by their producers. Policy
is set through a bottom-up system of regional representatives who are also elected and meetings are held at
which producers can question directors and management, object to existing or proposed policy and suggest
changes and reforms.

None of this is the Wheat Board way. It was not brought in by farmers 75 years ago, but by the government
and remains in reality a government agency. Powers including extensive regulatory authority under the
Canadian Wheat Board Act rests with the Board as a part of the government. No farmer was ever given the chance
to vote for or against its establishment and formation, but
now elaborate provisions exist in the law which mandate farmer votes to alter its mandate.

Supply-management marketing boards have authority in one province, and the national supervisory agency
covers all of Canada.
The Canadian Wheat Board operates
only in a part of the country that was arbitrarily designated by the government, and on this grounds alone
should be unconstitutional, or else its authority should be extended to every part of Canada.
The Canadian Wheat Board does not regulate production as supply-management entities do, but it literally confiscates all production after harvest because it is illegal
to sell Board grains to any other buyer. It also controls at what time or year a farmer can sell Board grains
to the sole monopoly buyer.
The absence of production quotas for wheat and barley has prevented the startling phenomenon in which supply
management quota has acquired enormous financial value. Quota bought at today’s prices would represent
the biggest item of capital investment in a dairy farm in Ontario or Quebec. The capital cost must be recovered
from the price of milk, and is recovered, because all efforts
by marketing boards to restrain quota values have failed. Because of quota investment, the cost of producing
milk in eastern Canada is the highest in the world, requiring commensurate dairy product prices to consumers
and giving rise to the observation of Mr. Sears.
The marketing board system cannot be unwound because of the immense wealth represented by quota,
which would become valueless. The politicians know it cannot be unwound, so they do not meddle with it in
word or in deed. The position of “supporting” supply management gives no political party any advantage, nor any disadvantage either, which does not stop Mr. Easter
from crookedly inventing phony issues."

I agree with Morris. Since I believe in Private Property Rights... as do the Conservatives... Dorosh is correct... which is why this was voted by Conservatives as the functioning policy to be used.

I see NO evidence that the CWB extracts any additional value for grain growers in western Canada. Hence the Liberal/Bloc/NDP dippers confiscate our grain... without compensation.

Sooo Grassfarmer... we would be MUCH further ahead to work co-operatively and link with other co-ops globally... to better grow our markets and create value for our customers... so they would WILLINGLY offer better prices for our grains!!!

[grassfarmer]

"Since I believe in Private Property Rights... as do the Conservatives... Dorosh is correct..."

So I guess you didn't really learn that much TOM - still chanting that the Cons believe in property rights despite the evidence. Like a lot of westerners you need to think for yourself and not swallow the hollow ideology hook line and sinker.

[FarmRanger]

So where's my right not to have my wheat
expropriated...... waiting.......waiting.......