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What needs to be done to get Bill C619 passed?

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    #11
    swift action?

    Yeah, a Liberal majority. See reform party and the 1990s.

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      #12
      I agree FarmRanger we don't need more candidates it would just split the vote. I think it would be more effective to put our current MP's on notice that this will be their last chance to keep a promiss made 5 years ago.

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        #13
        Mbrat, Says 1% or less of the votes...

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          #14
          farm ranger,
          I didn't say elected. I said "running"

          BIG difference. LOL I think thre'd be a lot of pre-election-day negotiating set into motion.

          A good farmer candidate running against a COn in a sure-Con constituency would bring, er, more than double speak. They'd be more prone to talk Eskimo. LOL

          Have you ever been involved with those sorts of negotiations? LOL Pars

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            #15
            wd9, No thats not what I said. Without a conservative majority I don't think we can get enough votes right now. I hate to say this but I think we need a conservative majority with few seats in Quebec to get a bill like this passed. The Conservatives have had several chances to pass a bill like this. Everytime the Liberals have been weak and a leadership crisis they would not have voted this bill down if it was made a confidence vote. I just find it all to convenient that this comes up just prior to what looks like is going to be an election. They are trying to play both sides, make Quebec think that there supply management system is safe and make farmers in the west think they are working hard to give them marketing choice. All Politics.

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              #16
              Harper thinks he`s the king now, what would he do with a majority?? The rest don`t know there`s a road west of Thunder Bay. We in the west have no real voice and never will in this system.

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                #17
                I'll admit I'd be the first in line for admittance to the cynic’s picnic, and this bill's chances of reaching Royal Accent are slim. But so was the Bill to repeal the long gun registry and it came up one vote shy on second reading because Iggy whipped the vote and Taliban Jack strong armed just enough of his MP's to sink the bill.

                It may be a day late and a dollar short, but the strategy seems quite sound. As you have to hand it to the Conservatives that they are at least trying to do what it takes to get legislation passed within this minority parliament.

                Typically votes on private members bills are not whipped votes thus allowing MP from all parties to vote as they wish. Generally in the past private members bill were brought forward by opposition members of a majority government and thus the low success rate for the passing of private members bills.

                Very seldom would a member of the governing party bring forward a private members bill because if it had the support of the leader or PM all he would have to do is whip the vote to guarantee its passage.

                So unless Iggy, Jack, and the Bloc dude whip the vote, there is a reasonable chance to sway enough opposition MP's to vote for this bill.

                Let's even throw in an arena for Quebec to sweeten the pot for the Blocies.

                Anyway don't count it out entirely as I know there are a number of eastern Liberals who can be swayed by the argument that it is un-Canadian and unjust for one set of Canadians (Western wheat growers) from being treated differently from other Canadians (Eastern wheat growers)

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                  #18
                  Agree a bit Mr. Smith on this. I am growing very cynical about the CPC on this file. I'd be much more convinced that they were serious if this was a government bill instead of a private members bill. However, if we could manage to get all the CPC MP's to publicly state their postion with respect to marketing choice, maybe we will have moved the ball down the field a few yards even if its not a touchdown. At least during the next election they won't be able to weasel around, and then should they form government, their record will be public. We can then keep their feet to the fire. Should they actually have a majority, then we have their public comments to hold them to account with.

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                    #19
                    One more thing. I believe most, if not all CPC MP's are supporters of choice to at least some extent. However, Manitoba MP Inky Mark was on the WRONG side. He resigned his seat and the CPC elected a new MP in a by-election. Does anyone there know where this guy stands? I'm hearing he is maybe no better than Inky Mark. Anyone from there know?

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                      #20
                      "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." -George Bernard Shaw

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