CWB OUTPERFORMS WITH 8.50 FLEXPRO

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

'GIVE' !?!

I had a miller from Britain laugh right in my face in Winnipeg Feb 23 2008. NO way the millers are going to pay for carrying costs... when 'designated area' wheat growers do this at NO COST.

The only 'premium' the CWB extract... or even has the power to extract... is FROM 'designated area' grain growers.

I sat 'grain' growers because the CWB affects all non-board prices when it forces the Board grains must be held in inventory with advances that are practically useless per/t values are so low.

timm Please take off your rose coloured glasses... the thorns keep pricking myself and my community!!!

The CWB marketing system is backwards.

[grassfarmer]

Silverback - can you lock in a price now for delivery of fed cattle in December 2011? If so I'd be interested in knowing at what price.
Mustardman - correct - the CWB is a farmer controlled marketing organisation. If the majority of the farmers think change is needed they will vote for that change - thus far they haven't.
Francisco - what's wrong? - couldn't you find anything on Google about COOL?
TOM4BILL36 - get used to it, the miller would still be laughing in your face if you achieved your "free market" fantasy.

[timm]

so we have two lame excuses of why the Cwb wont
work ....something about unfair protein testers and
uncertainty about what the basis might be in new crop
....boohoo

[FarmRanger]

<i>"If the majority of the farmers think change is
needed they will vote for that change - thus far
they haven't."</i>

I only ever voted once on any such thing and that
was the barley plebiscite. The price of barley
immediately jumped up for a few months until
freedom could be beaten down again, along with
the price of barley.

A vote for the conservatives was supposed to be
a defacto vote for market freedom, but that didn't
pan out either. So we're stuck doing crazy things
like selling #1 winter wheat to feeders because
the only legal buyer for winter wheat is paying
30 cents per bushel less than feed. I wish I had
a penny for every tonne of good durum and
spring wheat that got fed to cows last winter too.

Anyone who thinks this isn't a disgrace either
doesn't grow any wheat or swallows the
propaganda without question.

<i>...."the miller would still be laughing in your
face if you achieved your "free market"
fantasy"</i>
It's a bitter irony that anti-free marketers seem to
think every buyer is an enemy, except the very
one who is actually sticking it to us.

[silverback]

timm,

Answer the question, why can I not, in this excellent system that you love, lock in a price right now for delivery in December? & pick up the full cheque amount that day?

Why can American farmers do that right now?

It shouldn't be that tough should it?

[grassfarmer]

Farmranger - try using the elections to elect the directors you want. That's why TOM4BILL36 stood, it's why your guy Vos was standing. Trouble seems you guys can't organise yourselves whether to vote or abstain. That - and the fact the ones wanting change - ARE IN THE MINORITY!

Again the CWB is not a buyer - it is a marketing agency with farmer directors, and farmer elections. If you want change convince the majority and your change will come.

[parsley]

timm,

The real reason the CWB is not legitimate is because it erodes/takes away/expropriates/steals ownership.

Property ownership.

You have no right, absolutely ZERO right to eye up my property and proclaim any right to it because you expect a piece of it to pay for you getting what you might deem 'higher pooling returns." No one does.

Neither have you the right to swack off any artist's profit because you sketch a picture and want to pool the returns.

That kind of philosophy is pracriced by pnly the people who yearn for and demand the unearned.

That is morally wrong. You want to justify the use of legislated force so that you will be awarded more money.

Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible.

The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

Monetary-benefit justification for forced participation is despicable.

Is that what and who you are? Want to be?
Parsley

[parsley]

grassy,

We could take a vote online on AV for who buys each of us a coffee tonight.

If we voted democratically and you got the most votes, do you think it would be a legitmate action to stick you with the bill? Especially if silver was the sherrif and followed legislation that could throw you in jail if you refused to pay?

I think not.

That's what the CWB is.

An act of morally illegitimate property theft.

pars

[Happytrails]

Good points Pars and good questions at the end. However the marxist-leninists among us will likely answer in the affirmative. Can't shame them but exposing them is good. HT

[grassfarmer]

How appropriate that Happy Trails should come riding along on his moral high horse. I was just thinking of you when I read Parsley's last post with her comments:

"Those kind of persons are greedy and it is a characteristic that is not defensible. The 'greedyiers' will have no problem with outright stealing, either, as long as you can justify your action, "They have so many cows and calves, so it won't really matter if I keep his three calves when they roamed into my pasture"

For the benefit of folks here that don't visit the beef forum I'll explain. We were having a discussion recently on age verification of cattle (ranchers verifying their calves dates of birth on an on-line database) which certain of the luddite elements are opposed to. As it stands now some cattle that are not age verified bring a discount at auction and some posters were openly saying that they are happily (illegally) removing eartags off age verified calves and replacing them with their own tags which they then falsely age verify for financial benefit. I pointed out that if you don't like the age verification rules make a stand - don't age verify. But don't buy things discounted at auction from people more honest than yourself, cheat and make personal profit from them and then claim you are on some kind of moral crusade. Happy Trails was happily cheering on the law breakers and commented that "We need an industry based on credibility and quality not a public relations scam."
I challenged him to clarify whether he though law breaking, falsifying documents and deliberately miss-identifying the age of animals for personal gain add to either the credibility or quality of our product or our image as Canadian beef producers and I'm still awaiting an answer.
So which are you HT? A "greedier" or someone who wants a credible, quality system?

You also need to study up on what Marxists and Leninists really are because you obviously don't have a clue.