Response to Jdepape on the CWB

[TOM4CWB]

John,

You are missing something.

While not all grainco's charge extra for risk on problems at the port all the time... it is very often a part of a package that is compensation sought through the basis on non-board grains.

In a competitive sellers market... arbitage more likely favours the grower being charged less and tighter handle margins.

If the buyers are in control because of plentiful supply... basis will widen and risk premiums paid out of the basis charged.

The single desk needs neither because it is illegal to avoid the CWB... all grain must be sold through the single desk. Therefore there are no competitive forces keeping CWB charges fair.

[oneoff]

C'mon Tom. Not all grain. You know very well the exceptions that registered seed growers can and do use to their personal advantage. Almost the same with sale of organic grains. What I still want is all those select groups to be arguing that those are the rules that every farmer should enjoy. It seems very hypocritical to me that any seed grower could live with themselves when they stongly advocate keeping selling options from ordinary producers when they are deriving such a small part of their incomes from CWB sales.

[parsley]

Demurrage costs are fair?

Grading costs are fair?

Customs expenses are fair?


Accredited Agent% are fair?

Handlers charges are fair?

Wages are fair?

Maybe you should add: fair, but not to farmers. Pars

[TOM4CWB]

Oneoff;

Headline;

I argue that the same Seed/Organic exemptions be available for Commercial Barley Growers in ALberta...

Guess What happens Oneoff???

Parsley... did you note how many times... I tried to call you on Friday... on my way home from the ABC AGM?

Remember that District 5 resolution we easily passed in Westlock at AGM I told you about???

Guess the ABC resolutions committee did with it?

All the good work John Depape did... proof out the ying yang... Barley acres dropping like flies... That stupid farmer from the outter reaches.

I know... shut up...you fool. You have NEVER marketed any wheat or Barley... in your life. Only the CWB can market grain. STOP.


Thanks for reminding me Chief Commish Lorne.


Now I will be declared to be mentally unstable... and out of the cactus patch I am!

Grab a cookie and run!!!!

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

Only the CWB argues that they make life fair!

Thanks for the great presentation in Banff!!!

[oneoff]

Just for those who don't want to talk about it; refuse to admit it to themselves; and those who fear it will harm their arguments:
In the real CWB debate world there are people who enjoy the advantages the CWB affords to themselves and a few hundred or a few thousand in their class. About half of the ones I know are most interested in protecting their personal advantage; and so are the most vocal and outspoken to see that nothing changes to their substancial benefits over surrounding captive CWB growers who can not use those exemptions (and near exemptions).

[parsley]

Tinker,
Do you need my out of country number? lol

Thought you'd be so busy withdrawing cash for the 'i do's' that you'd forget about wheat. LOL Pars

[oneoff]

Pars You don't have to have a bulletproof argument to win a debate. In fact admitting the minor points the opposition may have can be used to defuse those relatively insignicant points even before they are brought up.
There's something wrong with CWB exemptions; and there are people who enjoy them that want them protected. Why is it hard for everyone to say that fact; or at least admit their conflicts of interest when they are pointed out.

[parsley]

oneoff,
It would have been easier to have never mentioned that the organic folks got better buybacks if they negotiated heartily, than their conventional counterpart.

But for me, it wasn't the right thing to do.

I guess I would like ALL farmers to do well, not just a few selected groups. Ontario should be paying for their own licensing costs.

I am just tired of the West being dumped on,and the unfairness of it.

Pars

[TOM4CWB]

oneoff,

You don't have to convince us.

I do not believe this is even a 'debate' any more.

The average grower is sick of all the politics... me included.

The CWB 'single desk' side does not have to give up anything for now... but many CWB 'sympathisers' will tell you this is only a matter of time till the CWB will be dismantled.

Not my first choice. If that be so.. so be it. I don't have to give up pushing for change. Especially when the CWB tells outright deceptions they know are so.

[jdepape]

If chuckChuck is still out there....

Looking for something else, I stumbled on something that Chuck should be interested in. It goes to his theory that the US market is somehow a "price island" where the domestic prices do not reflect offshore prices.

I'm parphrasing it to keep it short and focused....

"Kansas State University agricultural economist Daniel O’Brien ... and colleague Art Barnaby, who is a risk management specialist – both with K-State Research and Extension – agree that the cash HRW wheat prices have been reflecting <b>the real market value of wheat – the export value plus transportation costs to bring it to port, in competition with the value of HRW wheat processed by U.S. millers for domestic food consumption.</b>"

Yes Virginia, there really is arbitrage.

[concerned]

Thanks for the answers and comments, jdepape, and everyone.

When i asked my question i didn't mean to imply that theory didn't apply. But I'm sure we can all agree that a plus or minus sign is much easier to understand.